Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

OK, lets dance.

Though you have given me your explanation you have not answered the question.

Try one of these for a start.

Yes, but...

No.

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

I think this is a result of a fundamental misunderstanding of the elements of our salvation. In order to be saved one must undergo Justification, Regeneration, Adoption, and Sanctification. All are provided and accomplished by the blood. When one repents they are “justified by faith” (Romans 5:1). Once, “justified”, they are forgiven and made “just” so that they can approach the Lord to receive the baptism Holy Ghost. The baptism of the Holy Ghost begins the process of, “regeneration”, as the old man is subdued by the Spirit and the new man is made alive by the Spirit. Then one takes their first step in obedience…water baptism. When one is water baptized in Jesus name they are buried with Christ and take his name upon themselves, this provides for our “adoption” into the family and Kingdom of God. Throughout this entire process we are coming into obedience and being made right before God, setting us apart for His sacred use; so from repentance to both the Holy Ghost and water baptism one is in the process of being “sanctified”. This "sanctification" continues throughout one’s life as they continually yield and surrender to the prompting of the Spirit of God.

So the blood is indeed applied at repentance and one is justified and sanctified before God…but the blood isn’t finished.

Indeed the blood is at work in water baptism in Jesus’ name as one is adopted and sanctified before God….but the blood isn’t finished.

Yes, the blood is even at work when one receives the baptism of the Holy Ghost and their regeneration begins...but the blood isn't finished.

And lastly….the blood is still at work throughout the believer’s life as they are continually sanctified in their walk in Christ.

Brothers and Sisters….our salvation is all by the blood. Our salvation can’t be broken up into individual elements for each is dependent upon another. It is a single whole.

That’s my understanding.

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

I did not read this last post.

John 3:3-5 means what? And how is one born again of the water and Spirit? Jesus said you cannot enter or see the kingdom of God unless your born again.

Please answer. How is one born again?

hint... Acts chapter two, and verse thirty eight.

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

Some are jumping to repentance only and others are turning Catholic to affirm water baptism. Again....both extremes are terribly mistaken.

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

We haven't yet answerd the first question posed, I will let you start your cross examination when I am finished and my witness is dodging the question.

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

One isn't saved unless they have undergone:

-Justification (occurs at Repentance)

-Regeneration (occurs at Holy Ghost baptism)

-Adoption (occurs at Jesus name water baptism)

-Sanctification (occurs throughout one's life beginning at repentance)

And it's all provided and accomplished by the BLOOD.

Consider the entire work...

Acts 2:38-40 (KJV)
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

Lawyer.. I believe I posted on this thread first. And posed the answer and or question concerning John 3:3-5. And 1st Peter 3:21.

How is one born again?

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

Let's be very clear about your answer, though there are a number of problems I want to focus on the same question as before.

Are sins forgiven when one repents?

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

And if you had been keeping up you would find this thread is a continuation from last night. It is obvious why you don't want to answer the question. Because to answer the way you want makes you a Catholic in theology, and to answer it correctly means there are no sins left to be forgiven when one is baptized.

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

I was not in the discussion yesterday.

Tell me how one is born again. And obviously you are the one avoiding the scripture. Got scripture? We usually base our beliefs on scripture verses.

Acts 2:38 is a good one.