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mizpeh 01-19-2009 09:22 PM
Re: Repentance necessary for salvation
 
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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 686180)
No, I left them there - Bro. Haywood was a big guy.
Thanks, Laurel!

Acts 17: 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: :statbike:

Scott Hutchinson 01-19-2009 09:54 PM
Re: Repentance necessary for salvation
 
Yes repentance is essential a person who has not truly repented is not ready for being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ,nor are they ready to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

edjen01 01-19-2009 10:01 PM
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repentance is a must....and yes it is a work.

Book 'em Dano 01-20-2009 12:46 AM
Re: Repentance necessary for salvation
 
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Originally Posted by edjen01 (Post 686204)
repentance is a must....and yes it is a work.
No, it is not a work

mizpeh 01-20-2009 03:27 AM
Re: Repentance necessary for salvation
 
It's a work of grace.

LUKE2447 01-20-2009 07:06 AM
Re: Repentance necessary for salvation
 
Anything that has to do with choice is a work!

LUKE2447 01-20-2009 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 686248)
It's a work of grace.

Yes, it is because one received the message which was a act of Grace. Thus anything that proceeds from that is by the grace of God. Thus repentace is by his grace!

pelathais 01-20-2009 07:24 AM
Re: Repentance necessary for salvation
 
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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 686279)
Anything that has to do with choice is a work!
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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 686282)
Yes, it is because one received the message which was a act of Grace. Thus anything that proceeds from that is by the grace of God. Thus repentace is by his grace!
Hi Luke. While I suppose we probably agree on the essentials here, I'm wondering how you and others on AFF see the following passages:

John 6:37-39; John 6:44-45 and John 6:65.

There are some who interpret the word "draw" in John 6:44 as literally "drag." I don't think such an extreme understanding is necessary though that's how the Greek word is usually used. Do you see that the work of "coming to Jesus," in these passages anyhow, is a result of the workings of the Spirit of God (or the Father).

These passages from John are usually associated with the words of Paul in Romans 8:28-30.

Bro-Larry 01-20-2009 07:26 AM
Re: Repentance necessary for salvation
 
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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 686165)
When people speak of "work(s)" in the context of salvation they are usually referring to the writings of Paul and/or James. In those writings, "work(s)" always refers to the works of the Law - with the possible exception of including Christian charitable works as well.


Yes. Ephesians 1:4-6. If you are to be saved in eternity, then you were saved "before the foundation of the world." Presumably Prax, that was well before you or I were even born.

And your insight in the passages you cite reveals keenness of mind.
Repentance toward God is turning toward God. Absolutely necessary for salvation.

BTW: All church doctrines are just another system of law. Little different from the Law of Moses. No flesh has ever been or ever will be justified by the deeds of the law.

mizpeh 01-20-2009 07:32 AM
Re: Repentance necessary for salvation
 
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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 686285)
Hi Luke. While I suppose we probably agree on the essentials here, I'm wondering how you and others on AFF see the following passages:

John 6:37-39; John 6:44-45 and John 6:65.

There are some who interpret the word "draw" in John 6:44 as literally "drag." I don't think such an extreme understanding is necessary though that's how the Greek word is usually used. Do you see that the work of "coming to Jesus," in these passages anyhow, is a result of the workings of the Spirit of God (or the Father).

These passages from John are usually associated with the words of Paul in Romans 8:28-30.
Pel, The drawing, the conviction from hearing the word of His grace, and the goodness that LEADS to repentance are all the work of God....repentance is our response to the move of God in our lives. Repentance is a choice WE make. Does that make it a syngistic?


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