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Re: Sin, Life & Death

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 825421)

Let's start this off first with a question.

I know this is kind of off the wall question but I hope to begin a discussion from this question.

If Jesus had not been killed by men... being sinless... would he have ever died?

He would have grown old and died like the rest of us. We are not born with bodies that live for ever and then start degenerating once we sin. Babies can't sin and they die. Some even die before they see the light of day.

Re: Sin, Life & Death

Great posts so far. I am sorry I have started this thread and have not been able to get back to it and Sunday is usually pretty busy too...

But, so far, Mizpeh is on the right trail.

Re: Sin, Life & Death

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 825530)

Great posts so far. I am sorry I have started this thread and have not been able to get back to it and Sunday is usually pretty busy too...

But, so far, Mizpeh is on the right trail.

I think it's a bit too optimistic to say that there is even a "trail" on this on, D4T. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...cons/icon7.gif

Re: Sin, Life & Death

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 825544)

I think it's a bit too optimistic to say that there is even a "trail" on this on, D4T. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...cons/icon7.gif

Could be. :)

Maybe tomorrow we can start hitting a few rabbit trails and see what we find. :)

Re: Sin, Life & Death

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Originally Posted by noeticknight (Post 825435)

Being that he was God in the flesh, he died only when he chose to die. With that said, it is interesting that the scriptures never indicate that he even got sick. It is clear that he came for the purpose of laying down his life. I believe he could have lived on forever in the flesh, if hypothetically, his purpose would or could have been circumvented.

Would the Apostles ever had died? Bible never mentions them getting sick either.

:gotcha

Re: Sin, Life & Death

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Originally Posted by DerechHashem (Post 825654)

Would the Apostles ever had died? Bible never mentions them getting sick either.

:gotcha

Will Peter's mother-in-law do? (Matthew 8:14-15) :)

Which goes back to my other point. I'm not sure that Jesus was even subject to sickness, unless he allowed it by choice. That was the key difference between him and us; our lives are uncertain, and we are subject to the laws of nature, yet, Jesus controlled his own destiny, and the laws of nature were subject to him.

Re: Sin, Life & Death

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 825448)

He was fully man, He would have died. Adam, apparently, needed the tree of life even though he was sinless.

I do not think Adam needed the tree of life to physically live forever until after he sinned. Adam had no sin and only the one who sins must die. But the tree of life had the remedy for sin if man did sin. But the tree of life was primarily for God's life to be inside mankind.

Anyway, I agree Jesus would have died like anyone else. He was God in flesh, but that was NATURAL flesh and not spiritual flesh that does not die. He only took upon Himself a spiritual body when He resurrected.

There may be a point, though, to the idea that Jesus was without sin. For only the one who sins can die. But it had nothing to do with the fact He was God in flesh, for flesh is still flesh whether God is in it or not. The only connection we can see to Him being God in flesh is that this man him a sinless man. And maybe that would mean Jesus would not have died, being like Adam before the fall without sin.

Re: Sin, Life & Death

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Originally Posted by DerechHashem (Post 825654)

Would the Apostles ever had died? Bible never mentions them getting sick either.

:gotcha

Was Timothy an apostle? He had tummy trouble! ;)

Re: Sin, Life & Death

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 825884)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this Brother Blume.

I will use your post to then present the next thing I wanted to bring out after we discussed whether the sinless one would have ever died.

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

How does that statement play out in the life of the sinless one?

Is the statement "The soul that sinneth, it shall die.", in any way, making the statement "The soul that doesn't sin, will not die."?

Is the statement The soul that sinneth, it shall die referring on any level to the human flesh or is it stating exactly what it says... The SOUL that sinneth... it shall die?

What happens to a soul when it dies?

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Could it be speaking of merely the soul... because the soul which is 'saved' is rewarded with eternal life.

So are sinner's souls simply extinguished? This would fit in with the discussion on hell.