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Re: UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges

So, some people are saying the guy didn't admit guilt? Well then, if it's just an accusation, yes, let the process work it's way through. The article said he admitted guilt. If that's the case, the guy is depraved.

Re: UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 965601)

If it were you... wouldn't you want due process? What if they are baseless accusations? Now... to report it after the facts are found and he's convicted... go for it.

Here's my question... obviously this young lady was leaving the house and meeting with him. What was she thinking. A 16 year old girl! Did she throw herself at him? Did she seduce him? She carries some of the blame here too.

Outrageous ... the first few posts on this thread.

As a libertarian, I more than believe that any alleged suspect in a crime is innocent until proven guilty and record shows I'm ALL FOR DUE PROCESS IN THIS CASE or ANY CASE.

But the calls to silence these type of threads is all but SICKENING ....
Same thing happened even when 12 jurors (the defendants own peers) found Pastor Fogarty guilty for slandering Angela Driver ... cat calls for "WHY WE TALKING ABOUT THIS HERE!"

It makes one very cynical and suspicious as to motive...

I could post dozens of court cases we've discussed and "thrashed" where the alleged has all but "admitted" to the crime ...

Remember this guy we've discussed AD NAUSEUM? As it stands ... RIGHT NOW ... OFFICIALLY HE'S INNOCENT.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/images...alik-Hasan.JPG

That said ...

I've combed through articles regarding this Monk case ... Liberal ... and can you tell me the link or inside source you have where Monk told the judge he was essentially set up ... by either his accusers, the local police and/or the district attorney or that somehow the court documents stating his admission to being her "boyfriend" was done under duress.

Really?

1. As it stands, the only charge this 'minister' is facing is sexual battery. Why because apparently, in Ohio, a 16 year old MINOR can consent to sex with a married man ... or any man for that matter.

2. If I read the article correctly, the police were able to file charges only when they could prove he is a man in "authority" or of the cloth. Thus, the sexual battery charge.

It's mind boggling that Aquila would get on here too ... and somehow blame a child for this heinous act of mistrust allegedly perpetrated by a man who is married and who most likely used his authority and trust to prey on a family that was going through a divorce and prey on the weakest among them.

I don't care if the girl was in her birthday suit, spread eagle ... it in no way vindicates what has happened here.

Re: UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 965617)

This is funny, in a sad sort of way. I have three daughters, 16, 13 and 10. They are hardly "weak" or "disenfranchised". Children today are not like children of our day. They know more and desire more than I ever did at their age. Don't get me wrong, the pastor here needs help, but so does the child. Don't let the term "teenager" fool you, they are smarter and more cunning than you are Apostolic. :thumbsup

Now minors, in the Apostolica, are adults if they're teens and sexually curious ... but hardly weak in the hands of a manipulator who may use his status of trust to prey on them... gotcha.

That you would somehow bring your daughters into your argument troubles me.

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 965612)

He could be innocent. Was she sneaking out of the house to go have a bowl of cereal with him at 5:30 AM?
This case is why Liberals are fighting to lower the age of consent.

:ursofunny

Re: UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges

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Originally Posted by DAII (Post 965622)

Outrageous ... the first few posts on this thread.

As a libertarian, I more than believe that any alleged suspect in a crime is innocent until proven guilty and record shows I'm ALL FOR DUE PROCESS IN THIS CASE or ANY CASE.

But the calls to silence these type of threads is all but SICKENING ....
Same thing happened even when 12 jurors (the defendants own peers) found Pastor Fogarty guilty for slandering Angela Driver ... cat calls for "WHY WE TALKING ABOUT THIS HERE!"

It makes one very cynical and suspicious as to motive...

I could post dozens of court cases we've discussed and "thrashed" where the alleged has all but "admitted" to the crime ...

Remember this guy we've discussed AD NAUSEUM? As it stands ... RIGHT NOW ... OFFICIALLY HE'S INNOCENT.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/images...alik-Hasan.JPG

That said ...

I've combed through articles regarding this Monk case ... Liberal ... and can you tell me the link or inside source you have where Monk told the judge he was essentially set up ... by either his accusers, the local police and/or the district attorney or that somehow the court documents stating his admission to being her "boyfriend" was done under duress.

Really?

1. As it stands, the only charge this 'minister' is facing is sexual battery. Why because apparently, in Ohio, a 16 year old can consent to sex with a married man ... or any man for that matter.

2. If I read the article correctly, the police were able to file charges only when they could prove he is a man in "authority" or of the cloth. Thus, the sexual battery charge.

It's mind boggling that Aquila would get on here too ... and somehow blame a child for this heinous act of mistrust allegedly perpetrated by a man who is married and who most likely used his authority and trust to prey on a family that was going through a divorce and prey on the weakest among them.

I don't care if the girl was in her birthday suit, spread eagle ... it in no way vindicates what has happened here.

Who is the guy in your picture Dan?

Re: UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 965631)

Who is the guy in your picture Dan?

Major Hassan ... US Army major behind Fort Hood murders who expressed sympathy for Islamic terrorists

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...#ixzz10GVDvnOw

Re: UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges

He surrendered his license.

He knew this was coming and he knew he was guilty.

The only innocent parties involved in this case are the families of the adulterers and the church that this guy and his family founded.

This is so sad to read-- and quite baffling.

No one is above the attacks of satan or immune from the out of bounds desires of the flesh.

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Originally Posted by DAII (Post 965624)

Who manipulated who DA ? Does the article say ? Once again, the pastor was way wrong here. But to play off the girl as being a brainwashed angel is ignorance to the world and generation we live in.

It troubles you because you have no experience in this area. But we could reserve that question for you to answer, why exactly does it trouble you DA ? This is life as a father of daughters. I am very proud of my girls and love them dearly, but that does not blind me to the reality we live in. I have learned that the hard way. Maybe you will too one day.

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Originally Posted by DAII (Post 965624)

I understand what he's saying.

16 year olds aren't the innocent sweethearts of our day. He understands the guy was a perv.

What I see often is young ladies (teenagers) without fathers in their lives and they are looking to be loved and accepted. The sad realization is that many of them (especially at 16 on up) equate love with sex. This jerk showed her some attention, she wants to be loved by a man (father), he's a perv and takes advantage of the situation.

I understand what scotty is saying. Even though it's considered statutory rape, it appears she was willing and that to me is extremely SAD, SAD, SAD and very unfortunate. So many of these girls need fathers and they need to be taught that sex isn't love.

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 965637)

Scotty, I am very aware of the sexual promiscuity we've had in this country for more than 40 -50 years ...

but to question of who manipulated who still troubles me ...

A married 47 year man ... and minister of the Gospel is somehow on the same level as 16 year old receiving "counsel" during her parent's divorce from her pastor.

Sorry they're not equals in this equation.