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01-03-2020 12:57 PM |
Re: Qassem Soleimani.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
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The POTUS cannot end foreign wars, because they are a part of our conquest of the Middle East. One promise he has not kept, because it is impossible to keep. History is our finest teacher, she teaches us what to always expect. How things pan out and work within the machine. Don't expect virtue from leadership, it is just not in them. But expect leadership that by any means necessary will take what it needs to survive. Crushing all that dares to slow its progress down.
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I agree. I do believe Trump really meant and wanted to keep the promise before becoming POTUS. Something happens once the candidate wins and becomes the POTUS. Remember, Obama was a dove and yet he increased the drone wars and became somewhat of a hawk with Syria and others.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
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Evil and cruel? That is because he isn't on our side. Look, every opposition of "our side" is evil and cruel. Because we can't say he was godly and loved his family to a fault. That is because then we look like the bad guys. Every war which was ever fought painted the opposition as the baby killers. To understand history, we understand the future. If we don't learn from history, then we have no future. Qassem Soleimani was the enemy, and leader of the enemy force. If he is evil and cruel because he killed people, well, I would kind of expect that since he is a solider. As being a general he would have to kill all who opposes his objectives. Not expecting him to be a diplomat who is taking long walks down the beach with his opposition. No, that is what the politicians do. The warrior fights the wars, and kills and gets killed.
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I understand your point of view and agree that he being a General did what Generals are supposed to do.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
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Qassem Soleimani mistake is that he never thought a POTUS would retaliate to such a magnitude. Maybe Qassem Soleimani believed Trump was good on a promise of removing his troops out of foreign wars. Which I don't believe that he thought the U.S. would ever leave. But he did believe that a strike swiftly implemented so soon and against him wouldn't happen. He was wrong.
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This is the enigma of Trump -- when is he bluffing and when will he act. He's spouted tough rhetoric against NK and others but has never acted on that rhetoric. Perhaps Soleimani believed he was safe because Trump has mostly bluffed and has only acted in ways of a drone strike against an airfield or some other lesser tit for tat. I don't believe anyone really would have thought Trump would do this.
But now, nations take note. Generals and terror leaders understand that if you kill an American, you are not safe and Trump will come after you.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
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Can of worms, we should of left long long ago. What is our objectives? Why are we still there? They don't hate us because we are Christians or that we are free. They hate us because we kill them, and in return they kill us. POTUS question the loyalties of Iraq?? Saddam Hussein (if he was still alive) would laugh hysterically. He had to run the place like Dr Moreau on the Island of Lost Souls. Everyone knows this, but can't understand you cannot export American Republican Democratic Christian values on the end of a rifle butt. Or with a pack of cigarettes, can of Sprite, unlimited HBO, and free Amazon Prime. No way it will happen. But subjugation takes a lot of military might, and a lot of manpower. Conquest is hard work which takes a long time. You have to get rid of their religion, language, and culture. It has to be replaced with our religion, language, and culture. Then after a couple of generations (maybe even more than that) they will look just like us. :D
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I believe they started hating the West because of our freedoms and excess. But yes, in more recent decades they have grown up to hate because we have been at war with them. There is a generation who has grown up only knowing the US as the country who is bombing and killing their countrymen.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
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Intel? We know what Qassem Soleimani wanted to do. It was all over the internet since Trump was elected. Since the first "tweets" from our illustrious leader against Iran. Qassem Soleimani promised to hit us where we least expect it. that they had cells in places where we had no idea where they were hiding.
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They still have cells everywhere.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
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Bro, this isn't about Qassem Soleimani. This isn't about the reality show actor who we have as president. This is about a bear you put a few arrows in. Now, it has run off into the woods. The job at this point, is to finish the job.
You see this "enemy" doesn't march a battalion like the red coats at Bunker Hill. They are among us, and now the game MIGHT just been stepped up. If Qassem Soleimani was just blowing smoke, and we have already captured all the cells around our bases and country. Then we can all go back to arguing over hair length and which day is the sabbath. If he was telling the truth and it is worse than we originally thought. Then we will find that out as well. Whichever way we slice it, what these politician do to protect us, I sure wish they would put a wee bit more prayer and fasting into it.
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Did you see Sen. Graham. Like a child on Christmas morning on Fox News after the strike. He loves conflict and war. Meanwhile the same Dems who were hoping and cheering for another Benghazi a few days ago are incensed that Trump took out the mastermind of the embassy attack ... because they weren't told about it first. Why? So they could go on MSNBC or CNN and tip off Soleimani about the attack? I'm glad Trump didn't consult them.
The only way to "finish the job" would be a nuke strike against almost the whole of the ME. But that would create other issues... |
