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Cindy 05-30-2008 07:42 PM
Re: Men in Womens Bathroom: A Reality now in CO
 
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 477889)
Not by just leaving a stall door open but by standing at the urinal and then turning around.
We don't have urinals in ladies rooms Sam.

SDG 05-30-2008 07:43 PM
Re: Men in Womens Bathroom: A Reality now in CO
 
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477921)
A man could scoot forward on the toilet seat, leave the stall door open, and someone could see everything God did or didn't bless him with. This is what Dan was talking about.
I don't think the law requires stall doors to be closed.

Cindy 05-30-2008 07:47 PM
Re: Men in Womens Bathroom: A Reality now in CO
 
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 477926)
I don't think the law requires stall doors to be closed.

Probably not, but modesty does.

Rico 05-30-2008 07:47 PM
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I think y'all are over reacting a bit. Perverts could expose themselves in bathrooms the way it is now, especially in the men's room. Plus, you women folk are always going to the bathroom with each other anyway and probably see alot more of each other's bodies than men do. This law isn't about a man, dressed as a man, going into the women's room. It's about transgendered people being allowed to use the restroom they most identify with. Transvestites do not identify themselves as being a woman trapped in a man's body.

Cindy 05-30-2008 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477900)
Wasn't this passed because there was an issue of a transsexual who was forced to use the men's room somewhere, even though this person has been through parts of the transition that gave "her" breasts and "she" lives as a female? I also heard of another instance where a butch looking lesbian was denied access to the ladies room because a bouncer didn't believe she was actually a woman.
Yep, personal liberties, right?

Rico 05-30-2008 07:49 PM
Re: Men in Womens Bathroom: A Reality now in CO
 
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 477926)
I don't think the law requires stall doors to be closed.
Actually, I think a man can be arrested for indecent exposure for intentionally leaving a stall door open, scooting on the toilet seat, and sitting there for others to see the goods. In fact, I have been to more than one public restroom that didn't even have doors on the stalls, so I don't think they'd have a law about doors having to be shut and not have one about the stall having a door in the first place.

SDG 05-30-2008 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477938)
I think y'all are over reacting a bit. Perverts could expose themselves in bathrooms the way it is now, especially in the men's room. Plus, you women folk are always going to the bathroom with each other anyway and probably see alot more of each other's bodies than men do. This law isn't about a man, dressed as a man, going into the women's room. It's about transgendered people being allowed to use the restroom they most identify with. Transvestites do not identify themselves as being a woman trapped in a man's body.
Bro .... a young boy seeing another male's privates is common ... one wouldn't know if this was intentional or inadvertent if this happened in a male only restroom

but would you want your daughter having to be exposed to male genitalia ... because of this?

SDG 05-30-2008 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477946)
Actually, I think a man can be arrested for indecent exposure for intentionally leaving a stall door open, scooting on the toilet seat, and sitting there for others to see the goods. In fact, I have been to more than one public restroom that didn't even have doors on the stalls, so I don't think they'd have a law about doors having to be shut and not have one about the stall having a door in the first place.
Really under what intent ... he could simply give a million "legitimate" reasons for scooting up. It's a bathroom for God's sake.

Rico 05-30-2008 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 477942)
Yep, personal liberties, right?
How would you feel if you walked up to the ladies room and someone denied you access because they thought you looked like a man and not a woman?

Kae 05-30-2008 07:50 PM
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They have family bathrooms now, why can't they make unisex bathrooms in addition to men and womens bathrooms. As the article says to be fair. Otherwise they are not being fair to heterosexuals.

Sam 05-30-2008 07:51 PM
Re: Men in Womens Bathroom: A Reality now in CO
 
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477921)
A man could scoot forward on the toilet seat, leave the stall door open, and someone could see everything God did or didn't bless him with. This is what Dan was talking about.
Then the would realize that God did not create all men equal.

Rico 05-30-2008 07:53 PM
Re: Men in Womens Bathroom: A Reality now in CO
 
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 477949)
Really under what intent ... he could simply give a million reasons for scooting up. It's a bathroom for God's sake.
Because exposing your privates to someone else, regardless of the reason, is against the law. It's called indecent exposure in Indiana. You can be arrested for that in IN no matter where you are when it happens; the park, your car, the bathroom, a restaurant, anywhere accessible to the public.

Cindy 05-30-2008 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477950)
How would you feel if you walked up to the ladies room and someone denied you access because they thought you looked like a man and not a woman?

Where do they have guards at restroom doors?

SDG 05-30-2008 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477959)
Because exposing your privates to someone else, regardless of the reason, is agains't the law. It's called indecent exposure in Indiana. You can be arrested for that in IN no matter where you are when it happens; the park, your car, the bathroom, a restaurant, anywhere accessible to the public.
Say you're saying it's impossible to see a man's privates in the restroom whether purposefully or inadvertently ... especially how some dividers between urinals are built w/o "breaking the law"?

Dude ... be real

You don't have to close the stall door

Rico 05-30-2008 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 477947)
Bro .... a young boy seeing another male's privates is common ... one wouldn't know if this was intentional or inadvertent if this happened in a male only restroom

but would you want your daughter having to be exposed to male genitalia ... because of this?
That isn't an issue for me because I never send my young children into a public restroom alone. Even if I am at a store with one of my young ones, and their mom isn't there, I make sure to find someone who works at the store to go into the bathroom with them.

Rico 05-30-2008 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 477965)
Say you're saying it's impossible to see a man's privates in the restroom whether purposefully or inadvertently ... especially how some dividers between urinals are built w/o "breaking the law"?

Dude ... be real

You don't have to close the stall door
Dan, it is against the law for someone to intentionally expose their privates to someone else in public. It's called indecent exposure. What part of that is so difficult for you to understand? If you don't believe me, call your local police department and ask them if someone intentionally showing someone else their privates in public is against the law. You can also get into trouble for it happening unintentionally in some circumstances.

SDG 05-30-2008 08:01 PM
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What about the confusion this could mean to a young child ...

One of the things that helps distinguish gender to a young child is the very fact that there is a male and female bathroom.

My boy knows the difference already by looking at the signs.

How do teachers teach kids to accept this cross-gender situation now at schools.

Joey feels like a girl on Mondays and Wednesdays so girls don't be alarmed when he comes in to your bathroom to relieve himself?

SDG 05-30-2008 08:03 PM
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Phys ed teachers may have to allow adolescent boys to use girl's locker rooms ...

You have know issue w/ a young girl changing in her drawers in front of boys and having no recourse?

Rico 05-30-2008 08:03 PM
Re: Men in Womens Bathroom: A Reality now in CO
 
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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 477963)
Where do they have guards at restroom doors?
This incident with the lesbian happened at a night club. A bouncer would not ler her use the ladies room because he thought she was a man.

Rico 05-30-2008 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 477973)
Phys ed teachers may have to allow adolescent boys to use girl's locker rooms ...

You have know issue w/ a young girl changing in her drawers in front of boys and having no recourse?
What a bunch of HOGWASH! How many transgenderd children do you know or have heard of?

Cindy 05-30-2008 08:06 PM
Re: Men in Womens Bathroom: A Reality now in CO
 
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477975)
This incident with the lesbian happened at a night club. A bouncer would not ler her use the ladies room because he thought she was a man.
Well I hear it is very dark in those kind of places. But still why was a bouncer guarding the bathroom door? And I guess this wasn't a homosexual/lesbian bar.

SDG 05-30-2008 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477980)
What a bunch of HOGWASH! How many transgenderd children do you know or have heard of?
You're kidding I teach in Junior High and in the last 5-6 years it's becoming extremely prevalent among 6th, 7th, and 8th graders.

I can show you almost 2 dozen open homosexuals at my school

This may only add to the confusion among those more naive

Rico 05-30-2008 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 477972)
What about the confusion this could mean to a young child ...

One of the things that helps distinguish gender to a young child is the very fact that there is a male and female bathroom.

My boy knows the difference already by looking at the signs.

How do teachers teach kids to accept this cross-gender situation now at schools.

Joey feels like a girl on Mondays and Wednesdays so girls don't be alarmed when he comes in to your bathroom to relieve himself?
More hogwash. How many young children do you think would be sharp enough to know the person in the stall next to them is a transexual?

HeavenlyOne 05-30-2008 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477921)
A man could scoot forward on the toilet seat, leave the stall door open, and someone could see everything God did or didn't bless him with. This is what Dan was talking about.
No, he responded to Sam speaking of a urinal. He added sitting on the commode backward.

Rico 05-30-2008 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 477984)
You're kidding I teach in Junior High and in the last 5-6 years it's becoming extremely prevalent among 6th, 7th, and 8th graders.

I can show you almost 2 dozen at my school

This may only add to the confusion among those more naive
Dan, I don't believe you. Take it any way you want, but I don't believe that there are 24 transgenderd junior high school students at your school. Being transgendered is a relatively rare phenomenon. There may be that many homosexual students, but I don't believe for a second that there are that many transexuals. Get real!

SDG 05-30-2008 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477991)
Dan, I don't believe you. Take it any way you want, but I don't believe that there are 24 transgenderd junior high school students at your school. Being transgendered is a relatively rare phenomenon. There may be that many homosexual students, but I don't believe for a second that there are that many transexuals. Get real!
Speaking of homosexuals that are blatant ... those that are shameless.

You did speak of lesbian at club did you not?

They may or may not want to use the other restroom.

Rico 05-30-2008 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 477987)
No, he responded to Sam speaking of a urinal. He added sitting on the commode backward.
Sister, doesn't matter what post he was responding to. He was talking about a man scooting forward on a toilet seat and making it possible for someone to see what he's got. Urinals aren't used for doing #2. There is no sitting involved in the use of a urinal.


This place is going batty tonite! What is with y'all? :lol

SDG 05-30-2008 08:13 PM
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You've made the assumption this is just to protect transexuals, Rico

That might have been the good intention.

When in reality it protects gays also ... and gives excuses to those w/ nefarious intents.

And we know that 9/10 it's adult males w/ the issues.

Rico 05-30-2008 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 477992)
Speaking of homosexuals that are blatant ... those that are shameless.

You did speak of lesbian at club did you not?

They may or may not want to use the other restroom.
Dan, the lesbian was trying to use the WOMAN'S restroom, not the men's room. Blatant homosexuals have been using the men's room ever since there have been men's rooms. Me thinks thou art going mad, Brudda.

Kae 05-30-2008 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477985)
More hogwash. How many young children do you think would be sharp enough to know the person in the stall next to them is a transexual?
You are underestimating children. They know a whole lot more than you give them credit for.

SDG 05-30-2008 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 478004)
Dan, the lesbian was trying to use the WOMAN'S restroom, not the men's room. Blatant homosexuals have been using the men's room ever since there have been men's rooms. Me thinks thou art going mad, Brudda.
However now they have their choice, Rico.

And it gives the choice to predators ... heterosexuals who may want to get more out of their bathroom/lockeroom experience and still not break the law.

While bringing a transgender agenda to have to be taught in the classroom ... we've blurred the lines and that's what some want.

Sam 05-30-2008 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477980)
What a bunch of HOGWASH! How many transgenderd children do you know or have heard of?
Does the law say they have to be transgendered?
Or does the law just allow any individual to use any restroom he or she wants to and when they want to with no questions asked?

SDG 05-30-2008 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 478013)
Does the law say they have to be transgendered?
Or does the law just allow any individual to use any restroom he or she wants to and when they want to with no questions asked?
Bingo. One doesn't have to show their transgender id card.

Rico 05-30-2008 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 477998)
You've made the assumption this is just to protect transexuals, Rico

That might have been the good intention.

When in reality it protects gays also ... and gives excuses to those w/ nefarious intents.

And we know that 9/10 it's adult males w/ the issues.
Those with nefarious intents will accomplish their nefarious deeds regardless, Dan. If it's that big an issue for you, make sure your children have an adult go into the restrooms with them when you are in public. It isn't that hard to find a willing female employee to go into the restroom with your daughter. I've found them every time I needed one for one of my girls.

LadyChocolate 05-30-2008 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Kae (Post 477952)
They have family bathrooms now, why can't they make unisex bathrooms in addition to men and womens bathrooms. As the article says to be fair. Otherwise they are not being fair to heterosexuals.
That is what I was I thinking.... What about our rights? I think it is sickening but I would have no problem adding a third "perverted" restroom for those who want to share.... They are infringing on our rights.... I hate that spirit! The perverted spirit! This world needs deliverance in a bad way!

Kae 05-30-2008 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 477991)
Dan, I don't believe you. Take it any way you want, but I don't believe that there are 24 transgenderd junior high school students at your school. Being transgendered is a relatively rare phenomenon. There may be that many homosexual students, but I don't believe for a second that there are that many transexuals. Get real!
He lives in a metro city, you live in rural America. Huge difference. We lived in a rural city until a year ago. We moved to Houston and whoa did I have a wake up call.

SDG 05-30-2008 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 478015)
Those with nefarious intents will accomplish their nefarious deeds regardless, Dan. If it's that big an issue for you, make sure your children have an adult go into the restrooms with them when you are in public. It isn't that hard to find a willing female employee to go into the restroom with your daughter. I've found them every time I needed one for one of my girls.
And when I'm not there ... like at school? The locker room? C'mon Rico ... serious modesty issues here.

SDG 05-30-2008 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kae (Post 478018)
He lives in a metro city, you live in rural America. Huge difference. We lived in a rural city until a year ago. We moved to Houston and whoa did I have a wake up call.
It was just as bad in New York ... taught there for 9 years.

Cindy 05-30-2008 08:22 PM
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The lesbian must have been wearing pants.





:reaction

Rico 05-30-2008 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 478013)
Does the law say they have to be transgendered?
Or does the law just allow any individual to use any restroom he or she wants to and when they want to with no questions asked?
"One aspect of the law enables transgenders - those who were born one gender but identify with the other - to use public restrooms in which they feel most comfortable."

This says absolutely NOTHING about enabling people to use whatever bathroom they want. It specifically says it is for those who are transgendered.


The part that is protecting the gays is in housing situations.


Seriously, y'all need to read what the article actually says and not jump to conclusions just because Dobson says something against it.


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