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au natural

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Please don't put words in my mouth and I will treat you fine....I NEVER said one word about God favoring long haired women over short....

yes there are women with thinning hair....it's an abnormality....like men with too much estrogen growing breasts.

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In other words intentional?

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No. That they natually lose there hair (just like many men do)

au naturel Definition au na·tu·rel (ō nac̸h′ə rel′, -nat′yə-; Fr ō nȧ tü rel′)

1. in the natural state

2. naked

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:reaction

They're not bald they're naked.............:toofunny

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(closing eyes!!):drama

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oops! dar tis!

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Stephen said it first.

:razz

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Just as many women as men eh? Id like to see that. However the reason for women loosing their hair is not inherit to being a woman anymore than a man growing breasts is to them

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the good ole Bible's right hallelujah to the Lamb

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Whatchu talkin bout Willis?

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Dat's what I say!!!!!

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Ok...is it natural for men to grow breasts? I am hoping you two say no.

But some do in fact grow them. It's do to a hormone imbalance. Women lose their hair NOT because it's natural to women. Men lose their hair because it IS natural to them.

And I still want to see the stats that as many women are naturally bald as men

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Heredity?

My mother, aunt, grandmother all have/had very thin, balding hair. The difference with women is because many times there hair is longer, the "combover" is more effective.

My mother has very thin hair and really needs a wig.

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Grow breast? Men are born with breast, the same as women. Men with an overabundance of estrogen can have larger breast than most.
Why do you think women don't lose they're hair naturally as you think men do?

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Yep, what Rico said. :)

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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

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context of the text is a womans submission to her head (husband) religion took those scriptures and came up with women that cuts her hair goes to hell. what about women that are not in submission to their husbands, to God looks like a woman with her hair shaved off:)

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I also agree with the heredity factor. My hair is verrry thin on top,,,,male pattern baldness. (not lol) My mother had long hair and as she aged she had a teeny little scraggly bun. Likwise for my grandmother, extremely thin hair and worn in a teeny bun on top her head,
I have my hair cut jsut below chin length; if it gets longer it just emphasizes the thinning. I also have bangs since pulling back thin hair at crown in not very attractive.
My dad was bald , with the fringe on sides and back.
I didn't get the relatives that have long, thick, gorgeous hair..............

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That is what I am saying. Most men don't grow beasts like women but some that have a hormone problem have noticeable breasts.

I already said why...when it happens it's due to a hormone problem that is not natural or does not show up until old age.

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Only on AFF, click on a thread about Women's hair and land in a discussion about man breasts.

:reaction

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lol

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The hair part of the question Prax.
Why do you think women don't naturally go bald, but men do?

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Im just saying it's a greater percentage with men and with women usually is the result of a hormone imbalance or something like that

One large scale study in Maryborough, in central Victoria (Australia) showed the prevalence of mid-frontal hair loss increases with age and affects 57% of women and 73.5% of men aged 80 and over. In the United States the figure is around 23% of men and 10% of women.[citation needed] Male pattern is characterized by hair receding from the lateral sides of the forehead, known as "receding hairline". Receding hairlines are usually seen in males above the ages of 25.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldness

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Short answer- Testosterone level in men is one of the main causes of baldness

In men, for instance, there is a much higher level of testosterone than there is in women. In men the high level of testosterone makes them more prone to developing ‘male-patterned baldness’. This is something that women are not that prone to simply because of the fact that their level of testosterone is much lower.

Following is a little more detail


Now let us go a little deeper than simply making testosterone the cause of male-patterned baldness. This is because this hormone cannot directly be blamed. The main cause of male-patterned baldness is an enzyme known as ‘5 alpha-reductase’. However, it is this enzyme that is responsible for transforming testosterone into a chemical known as dihydrotestosterone (DHT).

It is this chemical that actually causes hair loss in men as they grow older.

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But it's not hormonal with men? And which hormone or lack thereof causes baldness?

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No, my sister. We know that men's hair doesn't stop growing while still short.

But to answer your question scripturally, look at what Paul said about the issue in 1 Cor 11:

14Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

If you travel around the globe and look at the thousands of different cultures and subcultures around the world, it is almost a universally accepted practice that the women's hair will be longer than the men's. Do we think thats just by accident? I think not.

What Paul is saying in scripture there just pretty much confirms what we already see with our own eyes.

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Thank you. I finally got it.

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I've always liked longer hair on a woman where it frames their face.

I don't like "butch" styles on women.

But boy, it's a loooong way from that article to a position of "uncut hair or hell."

"Ole Time Pentecost" has always used an association-type method to try and prop up extra-biblical positions.

I personally feel long hair on a woman is quite sexy.

So there you go.

I've associated long hair with sexuality so I guess that means that women should cut their hair short because some men associate long hair with the bedroom.

If the "proof by association" arguments proffered over the decades by ole time pentecostals have any merit at all ... then the women should start cutting their hair quite short.

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I've never understood this statement.

If men didn't cut their hair it'd be long too, so what does nature have to do with that?

What nature tells us is that men have beards if they don't shave and women don't (for the most part -LOL).

Hair would be long on men just as women's by nature!

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Yes it IS. But it's the MALE hormone that does it. When men grow larger breasts it's an abnormality involving estrogen I believe...I could be wrong

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That article was not a religious article. It was not meant to prove uncut hair or hell

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What does nature have to do with it?
Well, what do you think the Apostle Paul meant when he made a similar statement in 1 Cor 11:14?

Anyway, Nahkoe asked me a similar question, and I've given my answer on that above (post #67). Feel free to check it out if you like.

Take care.

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It's also natural for fat guys to grow man-breasts. (I didn't know if b***s is ok to use here.)

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I'm not satisfied with that answer. lol But, my books are all on their way to Texas so I can't look it up for myself right now.

If you want to use culture as proof of what you believe, you're welcome to. I can't though.

I'm going to guess this is a mistranslation of something that we're reading in English, or a misapplication of a translation. I am interested in seeing what it really says. After I get moved and settled I can look for myself, and after I get internet I can try to remember this thread exists and post what I discovered. I'll likely forget I even want to look this up though after I get moved. lol

If this is rambly, please forgive me. I've lost my brain cells in the water I was using to wash walls or something. Moving alone across country with wee 'uns is an experience I'm sure y'all just would beg to have if only you knew how completely delightful it really is. :tic (and everything is going absolutely SWIMMINGLY really! It's just "everything" is such an expansive list)

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It could just be that they're fat, Bro.

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NATURE

My NET bible commentary has this to say
Paul does not mean nature in the sense of "the natural world" or "Mother Nature." It denotes "the way things are" because of God's design.

What is God's design then for women?

One thing is notable...men under the law did not grow their hair long unless they were under a vow...with Absolom being an exception.

And apparently women let their hair grow long too....why? Is that a command under the law or is that just how women have been customarily for thousands of years?

Women in the bible are particularly mentioned in the NT with regards to braiding and ornaments....their hair was long enough to braid and this was common not only with the ROmans but the Jews as well (long hair)

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Fausset

Shaved closely by men, worn long by women, in Egypt. The Hebrew wore long beards; the Egyptians only in mourning did so. At the same time the Hebrew kept the distinction of sexes by clipping the hair of men (though hardly so much as we do; Lev_10:6; Hebrew: "let not loose (the hair of) your heads," not "uncover," etc.), but not of women (1Co_11:6, etc.; Luk_7:38). The law forbad them to "round the corners of their heads, or mar the cornners of the beard"; for the Arabs in honour of the idol Orotal cut the hair from the temples in a circular form, and in mourning marred their beards (Lev_19:27; Jer_9:26 margin, Jer_48:37). Baldness, being often the result of leprosy, disqualified for the priesthood (Lev_21:20, Septuagint). (See BALDNESS.)

Absalom's luxuriant hair is mentioned as a sign of beauty, but was a mark of effeminacy; its weight perhaps was 20, not 200 shekels, the numeral resh (r) having by a copyist's error been substituted for kaph (k) (2Sa_14:26). Nazarites wore it uncut, a sign of humiliation and self-denial, at the same time of dedication of all the strength, of which hair was a token, to God (Num_6:5; Jdg_13:5; Jdg_16:17). Shaving the head was often practiced in fulfillment of a vow, as Paul did, the shaving being usually followed by a sacrifice in 30 days (Act_18:18); probably his vow was made in some sickness (Gal_4:13).

Easton
The Egyptians let the hair of their head and beard grow only when they were in mourning, shaving it off at other times. “So particular were they on this point that to have neglected it was a subject of reproach and ridicule; and whenever they intended to convey the idea of a man of low condition, or a slovenly person, the artists represented him with a beard.” Joseph shaved himself before going in to Pharoah (Gen_41:14). The women of Egypt wore their hair long and plaited. Wigs were worn by priests and laymen to cover the shaven skull, and false beards were common. The great masses of hair seen in the portraits and statues of kings and priests are thus altogether artificial.

Among the Greeks the custom in this respect varied at different times, as it did also among the Romans. In the time of the apostle, among the Greeks the men wore short hair, while that of the women was long (1Co_11:14, 1Co_11:15). Paul reproves the Corinthians for falling in with a style of manners which so far confounded the distinction of the sexes and was hurtful to good morals. (See, however, 1Ti_2:9, and 1Pe_3:3, as regards women.)


Among the Hebrews the natural distinction between the sexes was preserved by the women wearing long hair (Luk_7:38; Joh_11:2; 1Co_11:6), while the men preserved theirs as a rule at a moderate length by frequent clipping.
Baldness disqualified any one for the priest's office (Lev. 21).
Elijah is called a “hairy man” (2Ki_1:8) from his flowing locks, or more probably from the shaggy cloak of hair which he wore. His raiment was of camel's hair.
Long hair is especially noticed in the description of Absalom's person (2Sa_14:26); but the wearing of long hair was unusual, and was only practiced as an act of religious observance by Nazarites (Num_6:5; Jdg_13:5) and others in token of special mercies (Act_18:18).
In times of affliction the hair was cut off (Isa_3:17, Isa_3:24; Isa_15:2; Isa_22:12; Jer_7:29; Amo_8:10). Tearing the hair and letting it go disheveled were also tokens of grief (Ezr_9:3). “Cutting off the hair” is a figure of the entire destruction of a people (Isa_7:20). The Hebrews anointed the hair profusely with fragrant ointments (Rth_3:3; 2Sa_14:2; Psa_23:5; Psa_45:7, etc.), especially in seasons of rejoicing (Mat_6:17; Luk_7:46).

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Thats not what I am talking about. There is an abnormal condition with some men that they grow breasts...

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If what you are saying is true, then why do so many orthodox Jewish men have such long hair growing down the side of their heads? I know it's because of that scripture that talks about not marring the sides of the beard, but it seems to contradict what you said in the bolded part. The part of their head that they let the hair grow long on doesn't look like their beards. It looks like the hair on the side of their heads.


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