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No, I dont feel that the church belongs to the pastor. I believe the church is as much the saints, as it is the pastor's, and they can stay. And where pastors are not voted in, yet bloodlined in, and they call all the shots concerning outward personal convictions, teach them as doctorines and require them to be in ministry, then I agree that one unfortunately cannot serve via the way its set up. But is it N.T. biblical that way?



No i don't think that he ALONE has the right to make his OWN rules for the church, if they are unbiblical, and based on HIS OWN conviction or opinion. Furthermore, I believe that "church vision" should come from more than just one man, w/ his personal vision. Him even receiving 1/10th of the churches personal income, all because he is the "man of God" for that local assembly. How much of all this comes from the N.T.? "Obey them that have the rule over you...". Many teach that "trinity" isn't in the bible, but the word "pastor" (singular) is not in the N.T. either , and only 1 time in the plural. Yet its hanging on the sign in front of nearly all of church buildings, with the word reverend in front of it.
I'm for doing things the bible way, submitting to flock overseers per scripture, and letting the Holyghost lead us in personal convictions not spoken of in the bible. A little more Elders and Deacons, a little less one man in control, per N.T. that I've read anyway..

I do realize that a lot rides on unity of the brethren and of the "faith". No beards because others in the fellowship preach against it. I see the point, but don't really agree with it.

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And thats what amazes me. Man made traditions carry the day.

Nothing wrong with it. Just dont do it.

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Why should one have to leave? Why cant those with no Bible, only their own preference repent and change? This simply reinforces the general thinking of Christendom that Oneness is a cult.

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I'm not a fan of man-made traditions myself..... but isn't that what Apostle Paul was saying about eating meat? Nothing wrong with it, but don't do it if it offends your brother?

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Don't do it if it offends your weak brother...

This is a case of extra biblical commandments being taught from the pulpit. If there be any offense it was caused by pulpit teachings which have no basis in the Bible.

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Exactly. The reason its offensive is because Preachers have taught it is wrong.

And for that matter if it offends me for people to wear suits and ties should they not all give them up to spare my feelings on the matter? See?

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and necklaces are acceptable, and sometimes urged or required in ministry, if they are made of cloth.

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I didn't say they had to leave. LOL!!!! You said "most still attend" which seems to imply they should do otherwise.

So you believe it is wrong for a pastor to ask the church to abide by any personal preference? Not presented as a sin, but just "I think this is a good idea"?

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I'm aware of some pastors who have asked people to dress casually so as not to offend people who come in wearing whatever they have. Others ask the congregation to dress in their best, because they have the perspective that you should wear your best when you go to "God's house."

So are pastors wrong to do that?

And are you truly offended by suits and ties, or was that just TIC?

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This is where the "Obey them" is used as a catch-all to literally make anything biblical -whether it is biblical or not.

I have also always wondered why the harshest and strictest standard is always the "lowest common denominator" that must be followed? If a man who wears a wedding ring goes into a group who do not believe in them, why does HE have to be the one to remove it? Why will the others never put one ON for his sake?

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I think some people just take what the pastor says and then they do not take the time to pick up there bible to see where it is and question it afraid of what might happen if they did..

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That doesn't make sense, RW. That would be asking the man who is offended by meat to EAT meat. You shouldn't ask someone to sin against their own conscience and convictions.

To them it is a sin to wear a ring, but is it a sin for you to remove yours? If it is, then you are both at an impasse, but if you can remove your ring in preference to your brother, then it's probably a good thing to do to avoid offense.

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dress up for God's house/temple on Sunday. Dress down for God's house/temple on Wednesday. Trouble is, we are his house/temple. Stephen said that God no longer dwelt in temples(house) made with hands, and he got stoned to death. Sometimes I feel that we're still trying to put God back in a OT house/temple, more than in us, his nt temple/house.

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Which is a matter of salvation using a manual razor vs. a electric razor ?
Are electric razors worldly ?

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This thread reminds me of that old hymnal...

I must be shaved... :)

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Emma! We need you! ;)

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This may be true. But if you have a church that has always been taught, by former pastors, that it's wrong, and they find it offensive... it can be very disruptive to suddenly say - "It's no problem, go for it!"

Sometimes it's wisdom to go slowly. "There's no biblical basis against beards, but for now we don't do it so we don't give offense." Once people have a chance to adjust their minds to the fact that it's not sin, then it won't be so offensive to them when a man wears one.

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There is a difference between actually offending someone and a self-righteous pig looking down their nose at you - I personally could care less if I "offend" those who are self-righteous - Jesus did it plenty of times.

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Absolutely true, but not everyone is self-righteous.

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Yep... that's how Jesus did it.

Oh... wait... no he didn't. Sorry.

How much is a church unweaned from the milk of the word if a beard (which their Lord and Savior wore also) is such an offense.

The church needs to do some growing up. You never know... they might even reach the world if they do.

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Can a bearded lady be saved ?

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This is so weird-and confusing.

How about this picture--this is a woman btw

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmo...9091mugs15.jpg

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Y'all quit your griping. There are more important things than men shaving. Souls are going to hell and y'all wanna gripe about things that don't matter. Live for God the best you can and pray for whoever you think is wrong.

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Wow that is weird & confusing.

Who wears a Miami Vice shirt anymore?

:)

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I thought you were filling in for him. Being so conservative yourself and all...:ursofunny

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Suppose I find all CLOTHES in general offensive!!! Then what?:ursofunny

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That's just it. I would NOT take mine off to "please" someone.
I say this merely as an example because we would never go to a church that taught things like that.

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That was pretty funny - needed that laugh - THANKS!

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Yeah for a WOMAN!!! Ha ha! One of those someone's garbage is someone else's treasure!

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Cindy that is just way to simple logic for some folks. It's just easier to label folks because you think your judgment is God ordained. Well, labeling folks due to ones own preferences is not God ordained-:thumbsup

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Men who shave will be lost!! To prove my point look at Aaron in the old Testament and Jesus in the new Testament. You must be Christlike and He apparently had a beard..

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I know, right. It just makes me tired.

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Yeah, but I'm out of practice. Need my role model! :lol

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Could be. In certain contexts! ;)

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Exactly! I say, let's go back to the very first standard! Genesis 2:25! :winkgrin

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Oh I must be shaved! I must be shaved!
I must be shaved for Jesus SHAVES!
:ursofunny

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Quite a few years ago I quit wearing my wedding ring because I was afraid I might offend some preachers/people by wearing it. Several months later I put it on again. I don't know if anyone even noticed when I quit wearing it and when I started wearing it again. The only person who was offended was my wife. She was offended when I stopped wearing it.

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My true thoughts on wedding rings came to surface when we decided to go on the TV show.

I thought it would be a greater chance at impropriety (or the appearance of it) to not wear one than to wear one - so I went and bought the one I had lost a few weeks after our wedding. Had it on ever since.

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Maybe not worldly but WRONG
because they do not shave close enough.

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You just haven't bought the right one then. Consumer Reports has the low down........