MUch of what you said is so. I thought I was incorrect about the wife thanks.
Branham was not a business man and Lindsay was very astute but in Branham's mind and his followers Lindsay stole his magazine and his tent.

I can't say that I know one whit about what did or didn't happen around branham's life. All I can say for sure is that the product today of his ministry and teaching has produced some of the most hellish things I have ever come across. I live in an area that has a very large branhamite church and daily see the effects of this so-called prophet. A prophet who could produce such and ungodly mess is no prophet of God to me. I don't care who's aunt Elma got her goiter healed at his tent meeting.

That's right.

The resentment came not so much about the magazine but the very large mailing list that went with the magazine. Lindsay was able to take those names from not only from Branham but from other ministers as well who freely gave that mailing list to Lindsay. With that mailing list, there came into existence the VOH and the VOH magazine which Branham was a part of in the beginning...in fact, he, Moore and Lindsay was the very foundation of it, mostly based on the very large mailing list of Branham which Moore and Lindsay compiled. Moore coorporated with Lindsay in the work of the Magazine which promoted Branham. Later it came to promote other VOH preachers including the likes of Jackson, Hickman, Freeman, Allen, Coe, Hayes, Grant and many others who would have never become known at all except by the promotion of the magazine.

When some of these guys begin to wander into all kinds of strange fire like Never Die, and the error of Garments of Fire by whasisname "Atomic Power With God," fame and many other craazy stuff SS not the least, thugh that may have come later, Lindsay saw the need of "REQUESTING" that all the new names be submitted to the VOH for an update of the mailing list which was growing by leaps and bounds.

But, in that request, he refused to further endorse these many preachers because of the great lot of error creeping in. This generated a lot of resentment since some of these preachers did not retain a copy of their own mailing list fully expecting the VOH to continue promoting their ministries. Alton L. Hayes and I talked about this extensively. At first, he too was resentful and discussed it with Branham who was also resentful. Later, Hayes forgave and dismissed the resentment that he held toward Lindsay and was fully reconciled with him before his death. Love won out in the end. Lindsay held firm in the face of increased error among the fomer VOH minister's error.

Actually, I admire the firm stand of Lindsay. Other ministers such as Coe and Allen elected not to surrender their mailing lists to Lindsay but pulled away from the VOH on their own.

It is an easy matter to check these details as there is a search function at the Voice of God Recordings website which can access all of William Branham's recorded sermons. I simply entered "Lindsay' and "tent" ... I think you would find it enlightening.

I checked out William Branham's teaching on SS after I was told he said some people are the seed of the Serpent (as a result of the sexual union between Eve and the Serpent) and they cannot be saved, while others are the seed of Adam, and they will be saved. I found out that's not what he said at all. Yes, he did say the original sin was adultery, but nowhere did he teach that salvation is anything to do with race or genetic ancestry.

I think the best understanding of what he did say is found in his book "An Exposition of the Seven Church Ages" - the comments contained in this book can be easily found by entering the words serpent and seed in 'Message Search' at the Voice of God Recordings website.

I did not find this idea too remarkable - perhaps because I had heard some Pentecostal ministers teaching that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6:4 were heavenly angels who had sexual relations with human women and produced children who grew up to become giants. Personally, I think there is more Biblical support for William Branham's idea.

And I think we should keep in mind this comment he made about SS: "Course we realize that that doesn't save a man, neither does it condemn a man, but it only brings light upon the subject"

Branham did teach that the serpent seed was NOT the elect but children of the devil. He said the serpent had a place for a soul but did not have a soul.

Kenod...

Are you a follower of "The Message?"

In regards to the bolden part above, I've heard a few folk make this absurd speculation without careful thought behind it. Nevertheless, regardless how silly this idea might be, it does not in anyway validate the teachings of the Serpent's Seed.

It is my opinion that rather than being angles, the sons of God were simply the righteous who comingled with the unrighteous daughters of the unrighteous. As conditions grew worse from that unholy union, it brought on the wrath of God that was shown in the flood.

I went to that site I could not pull up ONE hit concerning Lindsay or the tent or the magazine so how reliable is that site?????????????????

I find it very reliable ... here's seven for a start

Voice of God Recordings: Message Search

I believe William Branham was a prophet and a messenger to the Church.

I agree with you.

My only purpose in referring to the subject of SS is to say that I cannot find anywhere that Brother Branham taught that some are descended from the serpent and some are descended from Adam. He made a point of Jacob and Esau both coming from godly parents.

He said the only way anyone can be saved is through our own free will choice, and God's will is that everyone be saved ("whosoever will") although we know that not everyone will come. Brother Branham preached that salvation is only through personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and His atoning death on the cross.

Branham taught Calvinism that some were elected to be lost have you read the Church Age Book or listened to the Isreal series??????????????
He taught:
Uncondition Election: God from eternity chose some to be saved.
Limited Atonement Jesus died only for the elect
Unconditonal Eternal Security that the elect could not be lost.
He mixed this false doctrine with the false doctrine of the serpent seed(he borrowed from William Sowders) thus had the non-elect the decendants of Cain.
William Branham was a false prophet in his predictions and his doctrines.

I notice the quotes you post( I couldn't figure out how to do so evidently) you quote LONG posts are you trying to evangelize us?????????????????
I will warn you myself and Ferd will not allow you to do this unchallenged. He and I already battled 2 Branhamites that started like you. But if you choose too it will make things interesting. We welcome you to do so but don't be offended when we contest everything you say.

kenod how long have you been associated with the Branham movement?

The only quote I have posted was a single sentence! I provided a link to the words you said you could not find in the Message database. The words are highlighted. The link of course is to the complete sermon. Sorry but I can't do anything about that!

No, Steve, I'm not at all interested in evangelizing you. Hope you're not too disappointed :winkgrin

I am pretty sure we can keep things from being deleted too.

Kenod, Brother Epley and I have had our run ins in real life (he more than I)

and we have had our run ins on message boards like this one.

after more than a thousand posts on the subject, I can say with authority that current day Branhamites believe that those decended from Cane are lost via the seed of the serpent, with no hope of salvation. and those decended from Adam are saved with no hope of being lost.

if you would like we can revisit.

Well it would make for an interesting discussion. How long have you been associated with the Branham message? I know all the children, Joseph married a girl I grew up with, her parents have been friends since I was a boy.
Billy Paul would know me. I know Rebecca & George and Sarah but having seen them in years. I knew 'Doc'. Andes who is the second in command at the publishing house is an acquaintance. I personally knew Vayle, Iverson,Green, Byskal, Frank, Jackson, Robertson, Evans, the Martins, Coleman, Daisly, Andrews, Borders, and many others of yesteryear.

Did he say that when he was speaking "in the Spirit"?
Is that an "ex cathedra" pronouncement?
Is that part of the "scripture" from his mouth that is still used by his followers?

In the Marriage & Divorce message he said "a woman was a walking sexual disposal." also he said "Satan was woman's designer"

You have left out one word Steve ... he said "an immoral woman".
Marriage & Divorce"

And note he said 'designer' ... not 'creator'. I think most people can see that today worldly women are 'designed' by Satan to be attractive by their make up, hair dos, high heels, and revealing clothing. Godly women don't go for that stuff.

Some may believe that, I don't know - there are a lot of different opinions - all I can say is that most people I know who study what William Branham said do not understand it that way. But then, no one I know uses the term 'Branhamite' either.

I always prefer to look at what Wiliam Branham said himself, rather than what other people say he said. I have been studying the sermons and writings of William Branham for five years and I cannot find where he says what you stated above.

BTW Welcome to the forum Kenod

Branham was more Baptist in doctrine than Apostolic.

He said he thought that when he was an unsaved youth. As you can see below, he said he "watches every move" so that he will not think about immoral women in that way again. The more I listen to what he said, the more I get the feeling of compassion he had for every individual man and woman, but how much he hated the sin that bound them.

MY LIFE STORY _ 59-0419A
But I can remember when my father's still up there running, I had to be out there with water and stuff, see young ladies that wasn't over seventeen, eighteen years old, up there with men my age now, drunk. And they'd have to sober them up and give them black coffee, to get home to cook their husband's supper. Oh, something like that, I said, "I..." This was my remark then, "They're not worth a good clean bullet to kill them with it." That's right. And I hated women. That's right. And I just have to watch every move now, to keep from still thinking the same thing.

It's strange that Paul is also regarded as a 'woman hater' by some.

Sigh. I was hoping for a good discussion with a branhamite.

oh well.

Elder,

Do you remember the "dog meat" remark? I was shocked.

Branhamites believe that William Branham was the seventh church age messenger ,and if you aren't in the message your aren't in the bride.

Branham taught polygamy in Marriage & Divorce and some practiced it. The man who began Spoken Word Publications practiced polygamy in a sense he had a woman on the side and his wife and everyone knew it. Pastor Neville was against it and he would not go to Branham Tabernacle because of it. But their were churches throughout the message where this was practiced.

Where was Paul called a 'woman hater?' That came from Branham NOT the Bible like most of the stuff Branham taught.

Go through the Branham messages there is a thread of bais against women in general. Off the wall stuff he would say.

There is some guy in India, I'm told, that baptises in the name of William Marrion Branham. So I don't think it is a good idea to judge what William Branam said by what some people do!

Is Paul considered a woman hater ... some have obviously heard that idea, even if you haven't, Steve. For example:

Many have taken this verse and others within the Pauline Epistles and tried to make out that Paul was a chauvinist, a woman hater, than thus these verses are not inspired Scripture.
plenty more on google

William Branham hated immorality and condemned immoral women ... just like Elijah did... and just like John the Baptist did. The moral decline in women's behaviour in the last century is one of the signs of the times.

I was even more shocked when I found that Elijah said it first!

1 Kings 21:23
And of Jezebel also spake the LORD, saying,
The dogs shall eat Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel.

Nope.

:D

Regarding remarriage (or polygamy if you prefer) the only grounds I can find in all that William Branham said, was undisclosed premarital sex on the part of the woman.
He based this on Matthew 5:32

But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

It is interesting that Brother Branham refused to marry his eldest son the second time.

He said there are other grounds on which a man may put away his wife, but still he cannot remarry.

Your vow is until death you separate, and there's nothing else in the world will permit you to marry in the Bible until your companion is dead. (Q&A 1962)

I can find nothing in his later sermons which contradicts this statement ... except for the grounds of fornication. (He defined "fornication" as undisclosed premarital sex on the part of the woman).

Some who believe the Message may disagree, but that is the common understanding of everyone I know.

In the M&D sermon, Brother Branham said God forgave those who had remarried, but they must not do it again. This did not seem all that unusual to me because I have always believed that God forgives us for what we do before coming to a true knowledge of His word, providing we repent. I don't know any church that expects a couple who have remarried in the world, to separate when they become Christians, especially when they have children.

Well, that's what I think anyway ..... :grampa

The latter part may be what some "Branhamites" say, but what William Branham said was that the only qualification to be in the Bride was to receive the Holy Spirit.

The first part of your comment raises several questions:

1. Are there seven church ages?

2. Is there a messenger to each age?

3. Does Malachi 4:5-6 and Mat 17:11-12 prophecy an "Elijah" to come before the rapture?

Do you think the answer to any of those questions is "yes"?

1. There ARE a lot more than SEVEN churches. There are over 40 Apostolic Churches in Houston alone.

Jesus addressed SEVEN.

2. No mention of seven church AGES in the Holy Writ.

3. Yes. The meaning of the word "Elijah" is "Jehovah is my God." All who embrace that truth have the spirit and power of Elijah. All who go in the rapture must have that same spirit. As John the Baptist pointed to Jesus, so does the spirit of Elijah today.

Branham taught "a woman cutting her hair was fornication, not willing to have a child and a list of other things."
He would not remarry Billiy Paul but ordained....Horner-Martin both who had been remarried. Branham was like a Georgia lizard he changed colors with everything he landed on. When he was preaching Trinity meetings he told folks who responded to the invitation there are good men here to baptize you but the weekend before at Jeff he was calling the false prophets. Sorry that is NOT Elijah more like Balaam.

Branham taught the evidence of the Holy Ghost was to recognize the messenger and the message for your day. Thus accept ME!!!! And you know it.
1. Nothing in Revelations 1-3 say anything about 7 church ages. It is an ASSUMPTION. May or may not be. Nothing to build a entire following on.
2. Luther a Trinitarian drunkard a messenger???????? Luther had a man killed because he denied the Trinity. Wesley taught the Trinity. Branham couldn't make up his mind what he was it depended on where he was.
3. No the Bible does NOT teach Elijah is appearing before the 2nd coming. You are 1900 years too late. "BUT I say unto you Elias IS COME ALREADY and they knew it not." Mt.17:12 It was one thing for them NOT to know Elijah had already come but what was Branham's excuse he had the written record. Branham got this from Alexander Dowie who taught he(Dowie) was Elijah. He borrowed every false doctrine he taught from another false prophet.

Where do you get the idea that Luther was an alcoholic? He enjoyed beer but was against excess. He wrote "It is possible to tolerate a little elevation, when a man takes a drink or two too much after working hard and when he is feeling low. This must be called a frolic. But to sit day and night, pouring it in and pouring it out again, is piggish... all food is a matter of freedom, even a modest drink for one's pleasure. If you do not wish to conduct yourself this way, if you are going to go beyond this and be a born pig and guzzle beer and wine, then, if this cannot be stopped by the rulers, you must know that you cannot be saved. For God will not admit such piggish drinkers into the kingdom of heaven [cf. Gal. 5:19-21]... If you are tired and downhearted, take a drink; but this does not mean being a pig and doing nothing but gorging and swilling... You should be moderate and sober; this means that we should not be drunken, though we may be exhilarated."

The FACTS:
1. The Halo picture(find a halo in scripture) the examiner did NOT say the light was supernatural. Branham stated that over and over again but read the examination it that nothing of the kind. The examiner did NOT believe it was supernatural. Ever hear of Neal Frisby and all his halos?????????
2. The so-called supernatural cloud he claimed appeared in the science magazine. THE DATES ARE NOT THE SAME AS CLAIMED BY BRANHAM!!! A clear hoax. Those guys with him(like Joe Smith's cronies) never saw a thing.
3. I challenge you to find the newspaper report that validates his claim on the river in 1933! His so-called prediction of the men who fell had already happened.
4. Branham by divine inspiration predicted the Millenium in 1977 and America would be destroyed. IN the late 60's and 70's they were preaching that every service. In case you haven't noticed it is 2007 30 years too late.
5. Martin Luther King would lead to the death of 1,000's???????????????????? Excuse me?????? Could you please cite some sources where this happened?
Then I can cite person after person his unfailable gift FAILED and the person did NOT recieve what he claimed they would recieve.
6. Branham appointed jobs for different men that would aid in his "tent vision ministry" the majority are now dead along with Branham will he and they resurrect and have this tent meeting? Why would he need an airplane with a new body? The guy got the plane and was eventually killed in it.
I know this sounds harsh but these are the FACTS!

Dave Branham claimed the Lord spoke to him to NEVER drink or smoke and God would use him. I am defining this by Branham's interpetation, however in Germany where he is considered the Father of Modern Germany they study this in schools. A Branham pastor who is a German and pastors in Germany told me this was a fact he learned in grade school. He had to explain this to his message converts in Germany.

This appears to be of the urban legend type of thing. History changes over time.