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Re: It's Your Fault People Are Homosexual

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1482739)

I've not read the entire paper, only portions that were mentioned by other sources.

I'm the only one here who's posted articles on epigenetics in support of what I'm trying to propose. LOL

This was funny. :lol

Especially when Mr Luke Skywalker here tells us that he is going way over our heads. Aquila you belong to the Church of One. :thumbsup

Re: It's Your Fault People Are Homosexual

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1482763)

But again, my main point was WAAAYYYY over your head and we're talking about something other than the point.

When spirituality is claimed to be enlightened by scientists that are dead spiritually, that is not way over our heads to discuss their findings. It is misdirected searching for spiritual truth. It's simple. Naturally-oriented thoughts contrived by dead-spirited sinners CANNOT and WILL NOT shed light on scripture. There is the natural world and the spiritual. All the natural can do is confirm.

Re: It's Your Fault People Are Homosexual

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1482732)

Explain it to me oh great one. I've been reading articles and various works on it for over two and a half years.

And while you imply here that Esaias is waxing pedantic, you said that what you are saying is way over his head, making you wax pedantic, brother. As follows>...

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But my point isn't epigenetics. You guys are missing my point entirely. As always, it's flying WAAAAAYYYYY above your heads.

Re: It's Your Fault People Are Homosexual

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1482836)

When spirituality is claimed to be enlightened by scientists that are dead spiritually,

Can you prove that all these scientists are spiritually dead? Or are you assuming?

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that is not way over our heads to discuss their findings. It is misdirected searching for spiritual truth. It's simple. Naturally-oriented thoughts contrived by dead-spirited sinners CANNOT and WILL NOT shed light on scripture. There is the natural world and the spiritual. All the natural can do is confirm.

And, it appears to confirm that we are not born with a clean slate.

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1482843)

Can you prove that all these scientists are spiritually dead? Or are you assuming?

Science can be understood by ANY scientist. If one scientist was not spiritually dead, and had spiritualilty and as a result discovered something that pertains to the spirituality of man, then his "science" could not be understood by other scientists who are spiritually dead. So, can those spiritually dead understand epigentics?

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And, it appears to confirm that we are not born with a clean slate.

Confirm, yes. Never shed light, though.

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1 Corinthians 2:13-15 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (15) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1482862)

1 Corinthians 2:13-15 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (15) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

We who are spiritual can evaluate all things and examine how they might apply to our lives and understanding. Now, the scientists, they really can't evaluate or judge that which is spiritual.

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I believe that the Bible describes us as being body, soul, and spirit. Science can help us understand the biology of our flesh (body). Psychology and the Bible can help us understand some aspects of the soul (psyche). But only the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit can help us understand things relating to the spirit.

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1482871)

Amen.

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1481434)

Romans 8:11 says the Spirit quickens or GIVES LIFE (resurrection life) to our mortal flesh so we are no longer debtors to live after the flesh, which is what Paul described in Romans 7. That's the newness of life in Rom 6:4.

The sin in Paul's flesh compelled him. And when we read we are no longer debtors to the flesh in Rom 8:12 ,it is because of the Spirit quickening us. Notice Paul did not say we are no longer debtors because WE CHOOSE to serve God, as if CHOICE was the issue all along. It says the Spirit quickening our mortal flesh is the reason we don;t have to live after the flesh.

And Ro 6:13 also says we yield OUR MEMBERS to God as instruments of his righteousness. Instruments means that HE ACTUALLY USES THEM! It's not saying we choose to DO what is right, and that is making them his instruments. When something is someone's instrument they actually and directly use that something! That is what the quickening of our mortal bodies is talking about in 8:11. We're not puppets, though. But we cooperate with the Spirit and act when empower so we can live over a life of sinful activity.

I think Barnes got it right:

He had shown that Christians were freed from the Law as a matter of obligation, and yet that this freedom did not lead to a licentious life; Rom. 6. And he now proceeds still further to illustrate the tendency of the Law on a man both in a state of nature and of grace; to show that its uniform effect in the present condition of man, whether impenitent and under conviction, or in a state of grace under the gospel, so far from promoting peace, as the Jew maintained, was to excite the mind to conflict, and anxiety, and distress.

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It is ..designed to group together the actions of a man’s life, whether in a state of conviction for sin, or in a state of grace, and to show that the effect of the Law is everywhere substantially the same. It equally fails everywhere in producing peace and sanctification.

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Rom 7:21 - The meaning is this, “I find a habit, a propensity, an influence of corrupt passions and desires, which, when I would do right, impedes my progress, and prevents my accomplishing what I would.” Compare Gal_5:17. Every Christian is as much acquainted with this as was the apostle Paul.

He nailed it!

The tendency of LAW on BOTH an unrepentant Jew AND ANYONE in grace is to impede what we want AND CHOOSE to do.