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I am probably to far removed from the American church so I did not agree with him and did not like the little I heard here...Our church in Brazil is no way fits in to his message....I did not like his comparsion but that is just me....

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If Godly men were to step up and lead, women and children would not be in the crises we are in, we would not be overwhelmed with trying to raise children, run a household, hold down an outside job and minister in the church too.

The example you gave of your friend who had to shoulder the burden alone while trying to keep her husband saved is a perfect example of what the problem is.

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Pardon my assumption, but I believe you saw the title and made your mind up, because there's nothing in the actual video clip about women ministers. I doubt anything he stated in the clip would have changed your opinion after reading the title.

What he spoke about I haven't seen much in Apostolic/Pentecostal churches. It's mostly in the mainstream evangelical and charismatic churches. He talked about the emergent church as well. You have "Pastors" like Andy Stanley, who stated that Pastors should stop using the phrase, "the Bible says," because it could turn people off. Instead, Stanley says, Pastors should say, "Paul said in his epistle ..." Or name whomever wrote the verse. But don't mention "the Bible says," because it could alienate people.

I'm glad the church in Brazil doesn't fit the message. Unfortunately, the church in America has become spoiled and pampered. And unfortunately, his message was spot on.

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While I agree with your lead here, again, the clip had absolutely nothing to do with women ministers. Nothing at all. I appreciate Sis. Alvear's testimony, but it had nothing to do with the topic of his message or what was said in the clip.

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I didn't watch the clip, I listened to the longer version.

I am not against women doing what they are called by God to do

I just think women are overburdened trying to do their job plus what men should be doing.

http://christianresearchnetwork.org/...ohnson-part-2/

Phil Johnson is definitely against women teachers/preachers, he said:

"I would put the issue of women teaching [in the same category]. Women in positions of leadership over men, that is the issue. For a woman to be in any position of leadership over men in the church is a violation of clear teaching of Scripture. If you’re willing to twist your understanding of Scripture or put enough latitude into the potential meaning of words to tolerate that, then I don’t really trust your judgment on other important issues."

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I agree men need to step up and take the role God intended for them to have. We have ourselves to blame. We became distracted on careers and sports and left the spiritual things to wives and other women.

Some on here are against women teachers/preachers. Personally, I would never attend a church with a woman Pastor. It's not a biblical role for women.

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I would not question a woman's calling, one of my favorite books is about a woman preacher, "Oma Ellis." she was ordained by the UPC.

that being said, I prefer male leadership, and would also prefer a male Pastor.

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I think he was right on.:thumbsup

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did you listen to the long version?

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No. Only the clip.