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mfblume 05-26-2017 04:55 PM

Re: How old do you think the universe is?
 
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Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1484579)
My husband has a scientific bent, he has an MS in electrical engineering along with a PhD in International business. This morning he was explaining to me how the universe is 13+ billions of years old.

As a previous dispensationalist, our occasional debates over scientific theory and the bible would sometimes be, well a bit stressful.

Since I have begun to explore new POVs on eschatology, I am just in the learning stage, I have seen preterists state that 1000 years is a figure of speech and not literal.

Is it possible that the 7 days of creation don't equate to a literal 1000 years per day and I can stop debating with my husband and agree that the earth and universe could be as old the scientist seem to believe it is?

I think the days are literal, but creation actually occurred in Gen 1, and not the six days. The days were renovation, and creation was verse 1.

Amanah 05-26-2017 04:56 PM

Re: How old do you think the universe is?
 
thanks for all your answers, my original post was a bit incoherent, but you all gave me great answers anyway.

Esaias 05-26-2017 07:39 PM

Re: How old do you think the universe is?
 
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Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1484579)
My husband has a scientific bent, he has an MS in electrical engineering along with a PhD in International business. This morning he was explaining to me how the universe is 13+ billions of years old.

As a previous dispensationalist, our occasional debates over scientific theory and the bible would sometimes be, well a bit stressful.

Since I have begun to explore new POVs on eschatology, I am just in the learning stage, I have seen preterists state that 1000 years is a figure of speech and not literal.

Is it possible that the 7 days of creation don't equate to a literal 1000 years per day and I can stop debating with my husband and agree that the earth and universe could be as old the scientist seem to believe it is?

1. Nobody knows how old the universe is, its all assumption and conjecture.

2. The seven days are literal seven days. 24 hours? Who knows? But they cannot be millennia long epochs, that would mean 500 years of daylight and 500 years of darkness each - life would be impossible. Its best to just believe what it says.

3. Nobody knows how long between the end of the seventh day and the planting of the Garden, or if Adams life span is reckoned from his formation or from his expulsion from the Garden. So the creation week could have been 50,000,000,000 years ago for all we really know.

mfblume 05-26-2017 08:21 PM

Re: How old do you think the universe is?
 
Whatever the case, I know I totally reject the idea that the creation of the world was made making it an apparent ancient age in the same manner God created Adam an adult. That's just silly in my estimation.

FlamingZword 05-27-2017 10:19 AM

Re: How old do you think the universe is?
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1484694)
Whatever the case, I know I totally reject the idea that the creation of the world was made making it an apparent ancient age in the same manner God created Adam an adult. That's just silly in my estimation.

Silly?
Nope, it is not silly if you look at it from a utilitarian point of view.

We build chairs for for children and we build chairs for grown up adults and they are basically the same design. If we looked at the range of chairs, we might assume that chairs begun as little then by some strange process they started getting bigger until they became large.

God tells us how he built our world, it is possible that the age of the world is only apparent, because it was built specifically to be inhabitable, it is a version of a large chair specifically built for an adult.

mfblume 05-27-2017 11:35 AM

Re: How old do you think the universe is?
 
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1484738)
Silly?
Nope, it is not silly if you look at it from a utilitarian point of view.

We build chairs for for children and we build chairs for grown up adults and they are basically the same design. If we looked at the range of chairs, we might assume that chairs begun as little then by some strange process they started getting bigger until they became large.

God tells us how he built our world, it is possible that the age of the world is only apparent, because it was built specifically to be inhabitable, it is a version of a large chair specifically built for an adult.

I wholly disagree. The Word would teach the principle if it was true, but it does not.

Jason B 05-27-2017 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1484752)

I wholly disagree. The Word would teach the principle if it was true, but it does not.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Genesis 1:3,11, 24 KJV

And God said...and it was so.

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Psalms 33:9 KJV


He spake and it was done.

It seems clear. Not sure how much more explicit of a statement you're looking for.

Jason B 05-27-2017 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1484694)
Whatever the case, I know I totally reject the idea that the creation of the world was made making it an apparent ancient age in the same manner God created Adam an adult. That's just silly in my estimation.

Again, theres no justification to use the phrase or idea "appearance of age". God didn't create it to look old. He created it to be used, specifically inhabited by the human race, and to display His wisdom, glory, and goodness. And specifically said He did it all in 6 days:

For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exodus 20:11

I'm just not seeing the silliness.

Bowas 05-28-2017 08:47 AM

Re: How old do you think the universe is?
 
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Originally Posted by Jason B (Post 1484764)
Again, theres no justification to use the phrase or idea "appearance of age". God didn't create it to look old. He created it to be used, specifically inhabited by the human race, and to display His wisdom, glory, and goodness. And specifically said He did it all in 6 days:

For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exodus 20:11

I'm just not seeing the silliness.

I see it as silly to suggest God would create the earth the appear old, if it in fact was young. That is silly. He creates, made and forms.

Godsdrummer 05-28-2017 09:29 AM

Re: How old do you think the universe is?
 
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Originally Posted by Bowas (Post 1484850)
I see it as silly to suggest God would create the earth the appear old, if it in fact was young. That is silly. He creates, made and forms.

God did not create the earth to appear old. Man is who says the earth looks old, by their carbon dating etc.

Funny thing happened in our state about 20+ years ago. We had a volcano erupt leaving behind a complete new landscape and geological change in the mountain. This change left behind layers of earth rock and sediment exactly like that found in the Grand canyon, that is said to have taken millions of years to develop. Yet these layers were formed in lest then minuets by the eruption of Mount Saint Helens.


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