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:eek:

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I don't like these either.
I think you can find these in any religious organization.
And if we are truthful, we can find these, sometimes, when we look in the mirror.
Truth be told, I've found these more in GIB's than in the organizations.

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Deacon Blues' steel sharpens my steel, for sure!:thumbsup

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Well, I feel like the point he was making was that the Pharisees juxtaposed to Jesus created a contrast. The Pharisees were supposed to represent the way to God as leaders of Judaism. Jesus became the way to God.

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There will always be a UPC I think. There will be enough young men and women to fuel the future. Perhaps they will stagnate in growth, perhaps its already here. I really don't know the raw numbers. A General Board member told me several years ago the preachers under the age of 30 numbered less than 600. The peak for the UPC was probably the 70s and 80s.

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We do have a place to belong. It's called the church. Any of the rest is extra at best, hinderance at worst. Very sad.

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He was here in the big city preaching Times of Refreshing...I called it times of depressing or oppressing...but I digress...and folks made excuses that he had a late flight yada yada yada, but there he was using all those funny little enduring phrases like "idiots who let faggots in the White House..." amen. :D

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Hey...the youngsters love all the emotional belonging stuff, change happens when they mature and begin to realize that real life isn't a pew jumping exhausting parade... When the UPC sucks the idealism out of folks, they are more than willing to bolt.

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When an organization's main purpose becomes growing the organization, it will eventually see it's end.

We need a leadership points to the Savior, not a HQ.

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I'm staying the UPC... for now...

I still think the good outweighs the bad...

Mark Johnston...and those guys made their choices...

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Mark who????
take note.....some of us don't pay any attention to who is who in Apostolic circles we just work for Jesus and are too busy to care........can I get an Amen from all of you out there who are so busy you barely have time to get online any more at all?????

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I've been out of UPCI for about 4 years now, never was licensed. But I can assure you that this post was the saddest and closest to home that I've read in a long time! Thank you, Mizpeh!

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...2&postcount=64

If this doesn't describe not only the UPCI, but the OP movement as a whole, I just don't know what does. Let's get back to the basics, folks. And by "basics," I don't mean all the stuff we add to the gospel.

Jesus said, "Go make disciples." He didn't say make converts and indoctrinate them with the dogma and tradition of our sect.

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:shockamoo

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Amen. I feel the same and also used Garrison Keillor recently to make that point...

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Wait....you mean the Savior's foot stool isn't in MO?

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Did you forget to add, " ...and God bless them, prosper them, and lead and guide them into all truth."?

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:lol

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I hear great things about MJ but if this video clip is his usual speaking style I would last about 5 minutes in a service with him preaching. What is it with the screaming? Why do preachers think they have to do that to be powerful and effective or "annointed"? Arghhhh!!!!!

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How thankful I am that I was delivered from doing this!! :shockamoo

One of the funniest things to do would be to stand up in front of our church and preach like this. They would look at me as if I were from Mars.

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:thumbsup

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:thumbsup

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They might just think you'd drank your 5 hour energy that morning. ;)

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I think 99.9% of people in general would look at you that way if you did that!

Perhaps being untethered from the Mothership will help MJ understand his preaching doesn't have to be performance based or done for response. Results is much better than response!

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I am pretty sure MJ has changed his preaching style ... actually, he told me personally that he had changed preaching styles. Listening to his podcast on the church website confirm this ... cc1 you would be right at home. :spit

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And his old UPC fans will probably be very sad as they will think this means he has lost his "annointing" (I mean we all know the louder you preach the more annointed you are!):happydance

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Not!!

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LOL!!! I have a relative who is a UPC preacher. He is one of the finest men I have ever met. I have known him since he was just out of his teens. In person he is one of the most mild mannered easy going people you will ever meet.

Somehow I had managed to never hear him preach over the 15+ years he had been in the family then a few years ago that opportunity came up. Another relative came up to me and said "I have to warn you that not only is he a screamer but he doesn't even build up to it - he is hollaring from the first sentance of his sermon!". I was pretty surprised and thankful for the warning. Sure enough he came out of the gate screaming from the first word and ended the same way!

I have no doubt his preaching style is a result of the mentors he was around during the formative years of his ministry. He is not doing it for show, etc.

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"Anointed"

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Im fond of saying he done stopped preachin and gone to screechin !That is why i like the Bookers,Alvears,Coons, styles, for the most part .Raise your voice to make a point, drop to almost a whisper, it forces you to listen up.

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I remember when I was so desperate for spiritual excitment that this type preaching was ah...exciting. But now, I keep trying to catch the meat and heart of it, then it is over leaving me grasping!!!

Don't know MJ, maybe video is from "...a place far, far away...a long, long time ago..."

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I don't mind (sometimes) the preaching rhetoric that has been created by the Christian sub-culture, that includes cadence in the voice. There's definitely a time and place for that :)

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LOUD does not equal anointing! I want to hear what is said. Some seem to think that if you're not responding loudly to
their loud preaching, you're not WITH them or your getting TOO quite. If they've got something to say, I want to HEAR
it! If listening (quietly) hinders what a preacher has to say, it might be the anointing is missing. That might cause him/her
to feel inadequate! If the anointing of the LORD is there, there should be no need to feel inadequate, lacking or otherwise, just because people are listening quitely.

I remember a night, many years ago, our late pastor father called the church to prayer. He said, "In fact, that might be all we do tonight is have a good prayer meeting". In the midst of the prayer meeting, his backslidden son slipped in the door and came to the alter, knelt down and wept his way back to God. Our father and mother had wept and prayed for this brother, who was not living at home, single. He had become involved with friends, etc., that had not influenced him for good.

Just prior to our brother walking in the door, while down praying, another brother spoke and said, "That which you have prayed for, is nigh, even at the door! The door opened and in walked our brother who came and knelt at the alter.

Don't tell me it is all in a loud shout, loud speaking, or even talent! THE ANOINTING still breaks the yoke of bondage! Sincere, honest prayer is sorely needed today.

Falla39

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The only thing you can Preach is "The Gospel" unto the sinners. Everything else should be Teaching to the Saints. If you are not Preaching Salvation unto repentance, then slow down and teach the saints. Anointed teaching is better then "Preaching to the Choir".

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PS how did i forget Bro Holmes :) Ill think of others !

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Bro. Holmes??

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I enjoy listening to Bros. Booker and Coon as they preach and teach. I have heard Bro. Booker get excited and get to preaching with great energy. ;)

My Pastor, who is also my father, does not does not raise his voice very often in his preaching, and not like some of the others, but he has the same anointing as those who do. There have been times when he has called out sin that there was no way that he could have known, or he has addressed issues that only the church he was in knew. There are many types and styles of teaching and preaching, and it takes all of them to make it.

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I am very sad to see that Bro. Johnston has gone the way that he did. One of the last Youth Camps that I attended had him as the evening preacher. I still have somewhere the messages that he preached. I then heard him at the '07 conference and took much of what he had to say to heart. I must say that I feel that he has gone a long way from the anointing that he once had.

The UPCI is not moving quickly enough in the direction that many of the hard left in it desired to go. This could be why a number of them are also leaving. The leadership under Bro. Haney started to emphasize the standards after the vote, and the drift (while not checked) was slowed. I would imagine that one day the more moderate of the liberals that left will rejoin the UPC once it has drifted out to where they are more comfortable with it.

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Joel Holmes the one and only, one of the best !

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How in the world would you "feel he has gone a long way from the annointing he once had"?????

That is a very presumptive statement. Has he lost his annointing just because he has left the UPC? By the word "feel" I assume you mean "think" and I am just trying to figure out how you would have enough knowledge to come to that conclusion.