It's hard for me to imagine someone really looking like this either. But I do know a man who had his whole body done except for his hands and face. His ex wife was a tattoo artist so she practiced on him. He kept the hands off limits so that he could wear a long sleeved shirt if going into a situation where he felt like he just absolutely would not be accepted.

He looked pretty freaky if you saw him with short sleeves or a muscle shirt on, but he did not fit the personality that we expect someone like that to be. He was a very nice guy.

Joan Baez once said that if you are ever given your choice of facing a real lion or a hypothetical lion, choose the real one, it's not as dangerous.

Good question... :highfive


Dan, what do you do with the individual who before conversion had this sex change operation and now has full blownout size D breasts? Do you put him on your platform to preach to the congregation and teens and children or do you have him surgically remove his breasts first? or are you afraid to hurt his feelings? :club

I'm not Dan... but without a doubt they gotta go!

In this situation ... I'd leave it to my administrative assistant ... J-Roc ... to organize a task force to examine the issue[s] and appropriate any monies ....

Check out LD ... preaching at Thad's church ... He's such a RIP IT Preacher!!!!

What an awesome way to WAG THE DOG....you got me checking out LD now....you're off the hook for now.... :bubble

Renounce freebasing? Yes! Absolutely! What a great testimony!

Nobody said the tattooed guy should renounce his face. What are you guys smokin tonight?

Share? We are talking about someone whose face is tattooed completely. He does not have to share that, Everyone can see it.
That wasn't even the question. Should he renounce tattooing before someone lets him preach? Should he take a stand against it and say it is wrong? Or if he approves of such things should he still be allowed to preach?
Everyone with half a brain KNOWS how he got that way. The question is should he renounce it! Not his face, getting tattoos...The drug user renounces drug use usually. Is this question too hard for you people?

You don't have to be a gossiper to SEE that the man has a tattooed face. Come on folks, use your brain here. He has a tattooed face....should a pastor let him be on the platform if he has not renounced getting tattoos? If my pastor asks me if I renounced drugs before getting on the platform you better believe I will offer a hearty YES!

I don't do that anymore....

got tired of wakin up on the floor?
I said no no no no I don't smoke it no mo

I've never woke up on the floor.

That is sick, sick, sick.

Since we don't wear short sleeves or muscle shirts he would be fine.:highfive

Why should this person have to renounce tatooing in order to be allowed in a pulpit?

Sorry but this would be a good time to preach make up on men or have a theme Sunday called Wear A Bag On Your Head to Church Sunday.
That is too ugly.

Hey if he was he would be getting on everybodies mailouts??? REVIVAL WITH
THE UGLIEST MAN ALIVE TICKETS FIVE BUCKS!

How many of you would let this guy stay at your home?

He's getting a room at Ramada for sure.

It isn't about having to renounce tattooing, Rico..its about setting an audience at ease so they can hear what you have to say. Teaching 101: Connect with your audience first. Something permanently visible, and offensive by nature, will have to be clarified. Either that, or deal with the fact that some people will be offended, (especially since they dont' know if your tattoos came before or after conversion), and won't hear what you have to say.

As a mother of at least one preteen, if this man was going to speak at our next youth rally, I would want him to clarify to my child (and all the other attendees) that he does not advocate body art.

Children/Teenagers tend to emulate people they admire. If a man has a powerful message, he has to accept the fact that he will be influential, and if there is something about him that could influence in the wrong direction, it has to be clarified to the audience.

Without the clarification, I would either have to explain it to my child myself, (hoping I was right about the "probably before he was converted" part), OR choose to have my child preached to and influenced by another person. Whether or not the man chose to explain himself would be a reflection of his wisdom and understanding...not a reflection of other folks' unreasonable expectations.

I would expect the same sort of clarification if an unmarried, pregnant teenage girl were teaching a class at the Ladies' Seminar. It had better be immaculate conception, or a recent conversion, or my daughter wouldn't be attending that particular lecture.

Yeah, call me hardnosed. I am a Proud Member of the BFM's. ;)

Sister, if people don't have enough confidence in their pastor to know that he's done whatever checking up needed to be done before letting someone in the church pulpit, then I don't know what to say. I don't know of any pastors that don't have a sit down with any prospective preacher before allowing them into the pulpit. Do you?

Again, you can blame people for being people if you want to, but a good preacher or teacher will address it up front in order to set folks at ease. I personally wouldn't be offended, and I trust our pastor to not put anyone up who is questionable, BUT I would not grant my child the same ability to discern, and would prefer that the matter be clarified up front. *shrug*

Is Paul the Crouch gonna let her stay on when she get her face done like this

Dat's because yer a snob! :D

:killinme :killinme :killinme

[QUOTE]My point, so why must he explain himself to you or anyone for that matter?

Nope, why should he if he already settled the matter with God. Should an adultery or mugger renounce every time they preach?

Then why are you asking, if everyone knows, subject should be close!

It's not hard at all, you seem to be the one having a problem of understanding this person does not need to renounce his life over and over again, what he did is under the blood move on, Jesus did~



I think you have issues with forgiveness and can't seem to grasp some of us really don't want or care to hear about how bad tattooed are. I think by just looking at this person you have your answer, that this was not a wise thing to do.....So please sir use your brain already~

You're a nice person, twinkie.:highfive

A lot of churches and pastors believe it is wrong....Im sure a pastor that does believe it is wrong is not going to want someone that thinks it is fine and has tattoos all over like this guy, is not going to let him stand as an example for it being ok. A lot of churches and pastors are just like that for some odd reason

must have some testimony!

I don't know of any churches that endorse getting tatoos. My point is that I can't imagine any pastor letting anyone into their pulpit without first discussing some issues with them and being satisfied with that person's suitability to speak to the congregation. That is why I don't see why the fella in this pic should have to renounce tatooing before the congregation before he could speak to them.

I see this all the time on my job.Some don't do it for how many people they have killed some of these tear drops mean other things such as crying over
things in the world that cannot be rectified but need a memorial of some kind.
It depends.

I don't know if it is wrong because lots of men and a few women have tatoo's and are saved. They had them put on them before comong to the Lord. I personally don't know why anyone would want to have this done to them. I hear it is painful but I don't rally know. However after coming to the Lord is one thing before is another thing...just my opinion.

Just think of the crowd you'd attract...

Who is this guy??? I want to know his story, is this permanent? What made him (besides the devil) do this to his face?

Dan where did you get this picture?

It makes me think of something they would wear in a wrestling ring. I wonder if it's not really tattoos.....

At least he's wearing a tie...

Tattooed teacher teaches tolerance

Bruce Potts is a teacher of Public Speaking at the University of New Mexico and has a full tribal face tattoo. He has a straight forward attitude and imparts a cool vibe of acceptance. We'll bet his students get an extra edge on using demeanor and attitude in public speaking. And a life long lesson on not judging books by their covers. Either that or they study really hard because they're afraid he'll eat them.

http://cityrag.blogs.com/photos/unca...ruce_potts.jpg

From UNM teacher uses ink in expression... "'I have had very few negative reactions,' he said. 'People have been amazingly supportive.' Potts said he hasn't had trouble getting a job, because success is all about how one presents him or herself and doesn't solely depend on appearance."