Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1617286)

Then how can they be workers of lawlessness?

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1617283)

Yes but clearly obedience to the will of God is more weighty than prophesying or other miraculous works, amen?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1617289)

Wonderful works were the least of Jesus, and His followers' job description.
Obedience to God's word is first and foremost. The disciples forbade an individual who was casting out demons in Jesus name. But the individual was not a follower of Jesus. Jesus doesn't even deal with the issue of the performing miracles in His name. Jesus brings up the fact if someone is doing a wonderous work in His name it hinders the individual from speaking evil against Jesus. The man or women would have no credibility to accuse Jesus of being false, if they are doing miracles in His name.

Mark 9:38-39

And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

Here is an example in Matthew 12:24-27

But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

Jesus tells the Pharisees that if He was using the name of a demon to cast out demons. Then what name was the Pharisees' children casting the demons out?

Miracles were not the indicator of obedience to God. The Egyptian magicians are proof of that.

Matthew 16:4

A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

The power of the Gospel, the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

Jesus warned them against looking for the supernatural instead of the sign of Messiah.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1617289)

Wonderful works were the least of Jesus, and His followers' job description.
Obedience to God's word is first and foremost. The disciples forbade an individual who was casting out demons in Jesus name. But the individual was not a follower of Jesus. Jesus doesn't even deal with the issue of the performing miracles in His name. Jesus brings up the fact if someone is doing a wonderous work in His name it hinders the individual from speaking evil against Jesus. The man or women would have no credibility to accuse Jesus of being false, if they are doing miracles in His name.

Mark 9:38-39

And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

Here is an example in Matthew 12:24-27

But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

Jesus tells the Pharisees that if He was using the name of a demon to cast out demons. Then what name was the Pharisees' children casting the demons out?

Miracles were not the indicator of obedience to God. The Egyptian magicians are proof of that.

Matthew 16:4

A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

The power of the Gospel, the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

Jesus warned them against looking for the supernatural instead of the sign of Messiah.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1617280)

I asked about a meal with you and your family before.

I'll be down in Vidor, TX at Bro. Matthew Tuttle's church sometime in December. I do not know where you're located, for some reason I have Louisiana as the location just not sure if I'm mixing you up with another. If it works, it would be an honor.

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1617286)

Then how can they be workers of lawlessness?

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1617265)

I was looking at CRs Facebook page on which he posted this on 4/5/22

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/ujX...ibextid=oFDknk

Adultery, scandals, divorce and an explosive ministry, the world has never recovered from...

“They drove me away from the Church Because I was divorced.”
-Kathryn Kuhlman

In one occasion, Kathryn Kuhlman was preaching in a church and someone informed the pastor that she was divorced which led the pastor walking up to the front and grabbing the microphone from her and apologizing to the crowd for having a “false prophet” preaching, she was escorted by the ushers out of the church and ran off town. She wept!

On a rare occasion where Kathryn would address her past she made this comment about her peers during her crisis. “... You know sometimes it’s a thousand times easier to die physically than to keep on living. You see, the Lord forgives, but people don’t.

They’ll drive it in, and they’ll drive it in, and they’ll drive it in, and they’ll drive it in. And they’ll pierce your heart, and they’ll pierce it clear through.

Kathryn Kuhlman died! This was her popular phrase, she would go on to say, it was the price she paid for the glory.

Kathryn remembers vividly the days she died to and carried God's glory.
"It’s much easier to die than to live, death to the flesh and the opinions of this world, that very day at the end of that dead-end street is when I died at four, on a saturday afternoon.
Today, I feel it was part of God’s perfect will for my life.”

For Kathryn Kuhlman, her greatest anointing began to manifest from 49-59 years.
In those days, she walked past people and they collapsed to the floor because of the heavy presence of the Holy Spirit she carried. Healings and strange miracles never before recorded accompanied her ministry till death.
Even through Kathryn Kuhlman was out of public ministry for almost 8 years, when she hit the platform again, the glory of the latter house surpassed the former.
Suddenly all the churches that attacked her because of her divorce, opened their arms wide like they weren’t the ones that almost drove her into suicide.
The anointing was always there. All it needed was activation and constant use. God’s grace is irreversible. He does not change His mind about what He gives, He’s not two-faced. Your perspective or mindset about Him may change, but He does not.
So many have may have left ministry because of one thing or the other, you may have stopped pastoring, holding meetings or whatever form of ministry because of pressures, financial, marital or personal issues, but know that God uses these pressures to bring out His best in us.
Apostle Paul says: we are pressed on every side but not crushed, cast down but not destroyed. The promise always comes after the process.
From Kathryn’s example, we have learned that no one is far too gone, no one is out of God’s use, and instead of driving the word of God against people that are under pressure, let’s help them heal. Let’s get them back on track. Handle that brother or sister with care. God does not just want some individual spiritual giants, He wants to build His body! God is not just interested in your denomination, He wants to build His Church!

HER LAST MEETING..
As everyone left the auditorium, Kathryn walked quietly to the end of the stage. She raised her head and slowly scanned the balcony, as if she was gazing at every seat. It seemed like an eternity. Then, Kathryn dropped her gaze to the second balcony, following every row and every seat with her eyes. Then, she looked at the ground floor, studying every seat.
We can only imagine what was going through Kathryn's mind, the memories, the victories, the healings, the laughter, and the tears. Was it possible that Kathryn knew she would never return to the platform? Was it possible that, at that moment, she said good-bye to her earthly ministry?
In just a little over three weeks from that date, Kathryn passed on into glory in the Hillcrest Medical Center of Tulsa, Oklahoma, after open-heart surgery.

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1617303)

Maybe I don't know the answer to the infidelity problem, but I'm guessing it's true discipleship in small groups with time spent together, teaching biblical principles and accountability. You can't do this seeing someone once or twice a week. And it's difficult to undo the extreme brain washing of the world's education, culture, and entertainment system.

Like someone said, it's the people who are supporting this behavior and keeping these ministries in power positions.

People who can't discern a false prophet, or know the qualifications for ministry, or basic issues of right and wrong.

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1617345)

Anyone on the planet could walk into a large congregation and say the Lord showed me there are people here named Chris, Tim, Tom, and Dianne, suffering back, knee, and sinus problems and God wants to heal you, please come forward. And get a response.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1617350)

Anyone can’t to the extent that Chris did.

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1617345)

Anyone on the planet could walk into a large congregation and say the Lord showed me there are people here named Chris, Tim, Tom, and Dianne, suffering back, knee, and sinus problems and God wants to heal you, please come forward. And get a response.

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1617400)

Why would anyone be paying attention to any "tv preacher" personalities in the first place? Seems they all wind up in the same sinking boat.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1617401)

Money.

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1617417)

The tv preachers want your money. Their message of “give to me and God will give you more,” appeals to their flesh and their greed.

I have an aunt used to, probably still does, send her money to Benny Hinn- praying that God will GIVE her a house.

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1617417)

The tv preachers want your money. Their message of “give to me and God will give you more,” appeals to their flesh and their greed.

I have an aunt used to, probably still does, send her money to Benny Hinn- praying that God will GIVE her a house.

Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1617432)

Just as bad as apostolic preachers that put a curse on you or going to hell to those who don't tithe

Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1617432)

Just as bad as apostolic preachers that put a curse on you or going to hell to those who don't tithe

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1617286)

Then how can they be workers of lawlessness?

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1617278)

I'm saying supernatural happenings aren't the proof, obedience to the will of God is. Is there a problem?

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1617283)

Yes but clearly obedience to the will of God is more weighty than prophesying or other miraculous works, amen?

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1617448)

You’ll get no argument from me. I’ve heard it stated many times, “if you don’t preach tithing people will not give.”

Those people are already not giving.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1617457)

I understand.

What is obedience to God without something to show for it?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1617467)

What was the fruit the fig tree was supposed to produce?

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1617456)

Not at all.

Im saying the supernatural will follow obedience to the will of God.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1617469)

The fig tree produces fig.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1617471)

Then why was it cursed down to its root because the mature tree didn’t produce figs?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1617470)

Luke 9:49-50

And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
In Mark 9:38-39 the writer defines why Jesus couldn’t care if the individual was performing miracles in His name. The writer in Mark states if someone was performing miracles in Jesus, name they wouldn’t ( due to losing credibility ) speak evil against Jesus. Yet, we still have the issue from this scripture, that the individual wasn’t a follower of Jesus. So, what is actually the “belief” πιστεύσασιν found in Mark 16:17? Yet in Mark 16:16 informs the reader if they lose that “trust” they will be condemned. Hence lawlessness is not continuing in trusting in Christ’s Gospel message through faith.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1617474)

Because when Jesus was hungry the fig tree wasn't able to satisfy the need.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1617476)

This is interesting because this individual was casting out devils, when in a portion of scriptures (Mark 9:17) the disciples couldn't, because of their unbelief.
The disciples still contemplating the rebuke they just received from the Lord are indeed upset and see this man casting a devil, that they themselves couldn't.

Are they saying "follow not after us" as in, he doesn't believe in you, he doesn't know who you are. Or, he is not following you, like we are?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1617477)

What was the tree of knowledge of good and evil Genesis 3:7-21? Why in Luke 13:6-17 did Jesus teach about a fig tree being threatened with destruction? Yet, the gardener pleading with the owner of garden to allow more time to produce?