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We have forgiveness and righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ

Ephesian 1:7 Through the blood of his Son, we are set free from our sins. God forgives our failures because of his overflowing kindness.

Romans 3:22 (BBE) That is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ, to all those who have faith; and one man is not different from another,

Faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to get forgiveness and righteousness anything else would be salvation by works which we all know is against His word .

Eph 2:8-9 Because by grace you have salvation through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is given by God: 9 Not by works, so that no person may take glory to themselves .

Come on Christians , there is no salvation in water baptism or any other work . The only name that saves is Jesus Christ and the only way to receive His salvation is through faith in who He is .

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So Urban missions what is your view on the book of Acts in the bible what were they doing. Just asking I like hearing other peoples views on things in the bible....

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Acts 10:43 makes it very clear

In addition, all the prophets testify that people who believe in the one named Jesus receive forgiveness for their sins through him.”
Acts 10:43 (GW)

As far as Acts 2:38 goes , I believe it is speaking of one event

Repent simply means " change of mind or spirit "
Baptism means " immersion into "
The name we are immersed into is Jesus Christ
And the Holy Spirit comes to live in us as a result of the change that takes place when we believe just as it states in Ephesians 1:13

You heard and believed the message of truth, the Good News that he has saved you. In him you were sealed with the Holy Spirit whom he promised
Eph 1:13 (GW)

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit , mind of Christ , change of mind , baptized into Christ are all speaking of one event and that event takes place when this verse is fulfilled in us

Then whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'
Acts 2:21 (GW)

Romans 10:13 is the same truth that took place in the life of the thief on the cross

And he said, Jesus, keep me in mind when you come in your kingdom. And he said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you will be with me in Paradise.
Luke 23:42-43 (BBE)


The gospel has never changed , salvation happens when we " call on the name of the Lord " which is Jesus !

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This has been a very weird thread, hasn't it?

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Why do you say that?

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I've heard that analogy used also, but the word translated remission in Acts 2:38 in our King James Version is translated forgiveness other places in that same version. And, some Bibles translate it forgiveness in Acts 2:38.

APHESIS (Strong's word 859) and APHIEMI (Strong’s word 863) are used as follows in the Greek Scriptures (New Testament only) and are usually translated as release, forgiveness, remission, pardon, let go, leave, suffer(permit), dismiss, send away discharge, cancel.


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The blood was applied in Egypt before Israel was ever baptized in the Red Sea.
Ex 12:7
7 And they shall take of the blood , and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
Ex 12:13
13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood , I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

As a pre-requisite before any could partake of the covenant the blood was applied first right from the altar.

Ex 24:6-8
6 And Moses took half of the blood , and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient. Repentance!
8 And Moses took the blood , and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.
Lev 7:2
2 In the place where they kill the burnt offering shall they kill the trespass offering: and the blood thereof shall he sprinkle round about upon the altar.

Before anything else the blood was shed and applied at the altar.
The priest could not even enter the holy place without the blood being first applied!

Heb 9:7
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

Heb 9:11-12
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

By his own shed blood he was allowed into the holy place having already [past tense] obtained redemption for us.

Raven

Ok with the new info I still stand on what I thought, when we repent we see our sin and ask God to forgive us by faith. God saves us at that time he forgives us our sins, We are then obligated to obey the commandments of God ie. Baptism in his name. Not only does it signify burying the old man, it is our act in the new covanent that binds us to Christ, much more significance than this but lets stop here. Example: circumsision in OT. In my opinion we are save at repentance. Just my opinion Like the children of Israel comming out of Egypt they were saved by the blood but they were cleansed by the Red Sea. God took care of them thru the wildreness Now here is the clencher in veiw of the need to be baptized, all the men that were born in the wildreness had not been circumsized God even took them into Cannan then he commanded Joshua to circumsize all the males before the went against Jerico. In my opinion there comes a time in every Christians life that God requires them to be baptized. It is a sign of our spiritual cleanleness before God among other things.

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1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

Therefore of course we are forgiven at repentance!!!!! But we still need to go on and be baptized!!!

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Acts 10:43 makes it very clear

In addition, all the prophets testify that people who believe in the one named Jesus receive forgiveness for their sins through him.”
Acts 10:43 (GW)

As far as Acts 2:38 goes , I believe it is speaking of one event

Repent simply means " change of mind or spirit "
Baptism means " immersion into "
The name we are immersed into is Jesus Christ
And the Holy Spirit comes to live in us as a result of the change that takes place when we believe just as it states in Ephesians 1:13

You heard and believed the message of truth, the Good News that he has saved you. In him you were sealed with the Holy Spirit whom he promised
Eph 1:13 (GW)

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit , mind of Christ , change of mind , baptized into Christ are all speaking of one event and that event takes place when this verse is fulfilled in us

Then whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'
Acts 2:21 (GW)

Romans 10:13 is the same truth that took place in the life of the thief on the cross

And he said, Jesus, keep me in mind when you come in your kingdom. And he said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you will be with me in Paradise.
Luke 23:42-43 (BBE)


The gospel has never changed , salvation happens when we " call on the name of the Lord " which is Jesus !

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bump ....