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mizpeh

07-16-2008 10:25 AM

Re: Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 531526)

Your arguments rest entirely on the way you have interpreted a translation.

ESV
And now why do you wait?(A) Rise and be baptized and(B) wash away your sins,(C) calling on his name.'

(NLT)
What are you waiting for? Get up and be baptized. Have your sins washed away by calling on the name of the Lord.’

Amplified
And now, why do you delay? Rise and be baptized, and by calling upon His name, wash away your sins.

I'm not sure what you're trying not to prove but all of these translations link baptism and calling on the name of the Lord to a washing away of sins. Something that one steppers tell us happens at repentance.

Ron	07-16-2008 10:25 AM

Re: Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 531526)

The same thing can be said of your argument.
However when you consider that baptism was a command, & practiced by the Apostles, your bag of arguments starts to get wet!

Baron1710

07-16-2008 10:26 AM

Re: Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 531535)

Hey Amplified Bible is the correct one, or should I say, whoever you look to that agrees with you is?

What happened to truth?

I would ask you the same question. You insist on defining one Greek word to mean two different things. Truth is not important to you, holding a doctrine that is contrary to the very words of Scripture is more important than truth.

How many translation would you like?

Ferd	07-16-2008 10:28 AM

Re: Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

I would just like to say that I am FOR BAPTISM

Baron1710

07-16-2008 10:29 AM

Re: Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 531540)

Acts 22:16 (Amplified Bible)
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Copyright © 1954, 1958, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1987 by The Lockman Foundation

16And now, why do you delay? Rise and be baptized, and [a]by calling upon His name, wash away your sins.

Footnotes:

Acts 22:16 Charles B. Williams, The New Testament: A Translation in the Language of the People: Circumstantial participle expressing manner or means.

The connection is between calling on the name of the Lord and the washing away of sins, not baptism.

mizpeh

07-16-2008 10:30 AM

Re: Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 531515)

Luke 24:47 (Amplified Bible)
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Copyright © 1954, 1958, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1987 by The Lockman Foundation

And that repentance [with a view to and as the condition of] forgiveness of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

You would have been more convincing if you used the NASV to try to prove repentance is for the remission of sins.

Ron	07-16-2008 10:30 AM

Re: Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 531543)

You could give me 1500 for all I care.
It isn't a doctrine contrary to scripture.

Did Jesus both teach & command baptism in the Gospels?
Did he not get baptized himself?
Did the Apostles baptize?

Where is your argument?

Ron	07-16-2008 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 531549)

I would just like to say that I am FOR BAPTISM

Too simple Ferd!
You need to get the "New Improved Version" that says it is extra & an add on to our Salvation.

Baron1710

07-16-2008 10:33 AM

Re: Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 531541)

The same thing can be said of your argument.
However when you consider that baptism was a command, & practiced by the Apostles, your bag of arguments starts to get wet!

It absolutely does not. Baptism is about obedience. Interpreting Scripture based on what it says rather than on what I want it to say is at least being honest with the text.

The facts are in my favor regardless of how strongly you believe your error.

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 531549)

I would just like to say that I am FOR BAPTISM

Me to.

Ferd	07-16-2008 10:34 AM

Re: Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 531501)

I must disagree, Ferd. It's not a good answer and it is a poor example. Bill Clinton's comment wanted to give multiple definitions to the word "is". Those who seek to separate remittance and forgiveness attempt to do the same thing with the Greek, give the same word multiple meanings and they get to choose which meaning it has based on what they want the verse to say.

The fact is the Scripture does not distinguish between the two.

Sam is correct on this.

No sir. eis (FOR) found in Acts 2:38 gets to mean mulitple things!

that IS the arguement. what does it mean HERE.

I still say Brother Wiggens post was dead on accurate.

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