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OH Boy talk about unlearned.............

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I thought you missed his point too, Dan. He seems to be making a good point......Apostolics need more fruit and less showmanship.

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Shouldn't we be indentified by our fruit?

And shouldn't our fruit be love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance?


If Jesus is the root, love will be the fruit!



Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neithercana corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

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The original one who coined the term "Apostolic fruit" was just mocking those who clamour for apostolic revival, using their words, "Apostolic gifts", and asked where are the "apostolic" fruit?

So, IMHO, if it "gets around" and people start using the term "Apostolic fruit" outside of mockery, then it will be taken out of context from what this minister meant.

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Fruit is EVERYTHING! Gifts are not. Gifts are needed and they help the church and meet needs and even glorify God. Signs and wonders confirm the Word. But, as in the case of the Corinthians, they can be abused and taken out of order, and be operated by people who are ungodly who envy, strive and divide.

1Co 1:7 KJV So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1Co 3:1-3 KJV And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. (2) I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. (3) For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?


Gal 5:19-21 KJV Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, (21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Mat 7:21-23 KJV Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You can work iniquity and operate the gifts, but you cannot do so and have the fruit of the Spirit.

Gal 5:16 KJV This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Walking in the Spirit causes one to manifest fruit of the Spirit, so that the works of the flesh and WORKS of iniquity cannot manifest.

The high priest wore on the hem of his robe a pomegranate and a bell and a pomegranate and a bell, etc. FRUIT AND GIFT. And without the fruit, THE GIFT IS A TINKLING CYMBAL.

1Co 13:1 KJV Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

JUST BELLS AND WHISTLES without the fruit!

Flesh loves the gifts because they are sensational. God DOES sensational things. That is why the signs confirmed the word. And that is good. But fleshly ministers can abrogate the fruit in favour of gifts and retain their own carnality. But together the fruit and gifts are AWESOME!

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And yet your whole salvational paradigm from the moment a sinner goes to the altar is to get them saved and regenerated by getting them to speak in tongues .... if not there are nods of disappointment and hush puppy eyes saying "We'll get 'em next time".

Don't focus on the gifts like tongues but it's what we measure salvation by ... gotcha.

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Now you're changing the subject. :lol

But I will amuse you. Initial evidence is far from ongoing evidence.

And you make my point! Immaturity could be no more present in a person aside from the first moment they are saved. That does not remove the fact that tongues are necessarily evidence of what saves us, while tongues in themselves do not save anyone. It is false accusation to say we preach tongues save. Evidence of what does save can never be confused with what does save.

We get no one to speak in tongues. The Spirit gives the utterance. :thumbsup

And the gift of tongues is not the same as the initial evidence of the Spirit, anyway. But even if you think they are, immaturity is expected from a newborn child of God. How can fruit be present in an immature state? That is the whole reason for fruit -- SPIRITUAL MATURITY. That was the whole point that your reference speaker was making!

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No such distinction is made in the the New Testament explicitly by the apostles ... only the fancy of those who have created a new salvational paradigm a century ago.

You can't say don't focus on the "entertaining" stuff when service after service that's what you seek to get folks in the ship and part of the club.

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You miss the point again! Immaturity is necessary in order to contrast it from maturity. And getting a newborn and glowing at the immaturity is by no means negative in contrast to those who should be off the bottle by now and maturing with much fruit, who still are immature. Apples and oranges, brother.