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RandyWayne 08-28-2012 05:58 PM

Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."
 
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1185051)
I don't think it's creepy to name your child after someone who is of esteemed character. How is that creepy? :blink How is that different than naming a child after a cherished friend or family member or after some Bible hero?

It is about motivation. I would have no problem naming my son after my pastor if I just happened to like the name in the first place. But specifically naming a kid after their pastor because of some extreme pedestal he is placed on almost reeks of Catholicism. It makes me think of Mexico where 30-40% of women used to be named Maria except even THAT isn't as bad because Maria was assumed to be a deity.

One of the men I admire(d) most in this world was Ronald Reagan yet would NEVER consider naming a son Ron, especially in an effort to acquire favor with him.

bbyrd009 08-28-2012 06:02 PM

Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."
 
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Originally Posted by Brad Murphy (Post 1185089)
I was gonna find a pastor, then I just carried on living my life.

Well, despite all my railing, I will say
that I believe there is a Right Pastor for everyone; and that that Pastor will at some point change, when one has learned what God sent them there to learn; and that the way WE do it, "serve under" some pastor until, if one has any Spirit whatsoever, they inevitably hear all that pastor has to say, and in the process, get a thorn about some inconsequential belief of the pastor's that the one feels slightly different about (to no effect, anyway), then leaves the church dissing him, is prolly...not the best way? :lol

bbyrd009 08-28-2012 06:04 PM

Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."
 
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1185092)
It is about motivation. I would have no problem naming my son after my pastor if I just happened to like the name in the first place. But specifically naming a kid after their pastor because of some extreme pedestal he is placed on almost reeks of Catholicism. It makes me think of Mexico where 30-40% of women used to be named Maria except even THAT isn't as bad because Maria was assumed to be a deity.

One of the men I admire(d) most in this world was Ronald Reagan yet would NEVER consider naming a son Ron, especially in an effort to acquire favor with him.

Well put. The diff in respect and sychophancy should be easy to discern.

Timmy 08-28-2012 07:01 PM

Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."
 
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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1185094)
Well, despite all my railing, I will say
that I believe there is a Right Pastor for everyone; and that that Pastor will at some point change, when one has learned what God sent them there to learn; and that the way WE do it, "serve under" some pastor until, if one has any Spirit whatsoever, they inevitably hear all that pastor has to say, and in the process, get a thorn about some inconsequential belief of the pastor's that the one feels slightly different about (to no effect, anyway), then leaves the church dissing him, is prolly...not the best way? :lol

Maybe Brad Murphy is my Right Pastor. :hmmm

bbyrd009 08-28-2012 07:10 PM

Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1185125)
Maybe Brad Murphy is my Right Pastor. :hmmm

Cute, but you cannot have a Right Pastor;
from what would he teach you?
Scripture is the only solution,
and you doubt Scripture.

Unfortunately, this is to be expected,
and many follow you; having discerned
some preacher's lies, and lack of knowledge,
they then dismiss Scripture. Sad. But prophesied.

Timmy 08-28-2012 07:20 PM

Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."
 
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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1185131)
Cute, but you cannot have a Right Pastor;
from what would he teach you?
Scripture is the only solution,
and you doubt Scripture.

Unfortunately, this is to be expected,
and many follow you; having discerned
some preacher's lies, and lack of knowledge,
they then dismiss Scripture. Sad. But prophesied.

Tell me why I shouldn't doubt scripture, and I will stop.

houston 08-28-2012 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1185139)

Tell me why I shouldn't doubt scripture, and I will stop.

Where is the popcorn?

bbyrd009 08-28-2012 08:52 PM

Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1185139)
Tell me why I shouldn't doubt scripture, and I will stop.

:lol What's in it for me?

AreYouReady? 08-28-2012 11:36 PM

Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."
 
:hmmm I must be missing something in the gospels.

I always thought it was the shed blood of Christ that saves me.

I always thought that Christ was the door to God and that if any man climb up another way, he is a thief and a robber.

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. Hebrews 4

Amanah 08-29-2012 03:38 AM

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When we hear and obey the gospel, we are saved by the blood of Jesus,
God has ordained men to preach the gospel.


Romans 10:15-17
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

And once we are saved, God has ordained men to continue to teach us and help us along as we are perfected by the Word.

Ephesians 4:11-13
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

It is apparently God's plan to use men to preach the gospel to us so we can be saved and then to continued to preach/teach until we are perfected.


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