Originally Posted by phareztamar (Post 1511761)

1) in my opinion, as previously stated, the "born again" experience is that point in time when Jesus baptizes one with
the Holy Ghost. Of course He was telling Nicodemus, and all of humanity for that matter, that he must be born again.
this is not to minimize the need for repentance or water baptism, as they too are essential ingredients to the gospel.
That's why peter preached what he did. But the Samaritans were not yet born again, until the apostles from
Jerusalem came down and laid hands upon them.
2. don't really understand how much scrutiny is needed for such a simple salvation message. you must be born
again. that happens when you repent, are baptized in water in the name of Jesus, and He then baptizes you with
the Holy Ghost.
3. debate it all you want. at the end of the day, it's a simple gospel message that is immune to debate, because it
is the rightly divided word of God.
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1) I see you haven’t read the scripture. Seems as if 95% of “believers” are
only repeating what they hear! Come on: READ THE SCRIPTURE on Jn 3:3!

2) Yes, the gospel that saves is definitely easy. It is stated in Jn 3:5; and in
Mk 16:16; and Acts 2:38-39: at least its essence. Really, some folks are just
glancing over what them.

3) Beloved, I’m not the one that’s debating or asking for a debate. It just so
happens I read the scriptures and not affix my own interpretation on them.
But NO ONE can “…rightly divide the word of God…” by reading only some of
the scriptures while glancing over others!


Brother Villa

Originally Posted by thephnxman (Post 1511762)

His NAME is Jesus!
yeah well, since I don't read the scriptures, think i'll leave this with you and sean.

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1511767)

This is a prophecy.....




3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting....


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.




....of Acts 2.

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1511778)

...:nod

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1511787)

You want me to only stay on a particular thought and not elaborate?

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1511806)

All I did was post the passage and commented with very few words( above).
The context is there for you to observe.
Did John write the passage out of context?