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Yes, Just because you have a heritage or tradition doesn't mean you have a relationship. It still takes choice, faith, repentance, obedience and relationship, and this manifests in fruit.


Luke 3:7-9 KJV
7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

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So, the tree of life is no freewill?

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A mature Spirit filled believer manifesting the gifts and fruit of the Spirit is a tree of life.

Proverbs 3:18 - She [Wisdom] is a tree of life to those who lay hold of her; those who hold her fast are called blessed.

Proverbs 11:30 - The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and whoever captures souls is wise.

Proverbs 13:12 - Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a desire fulfilled is a tree of life.

Proverbs 15:4 - A gentle tongue is a tree of life, but perverseness in it breaks the spirit.

Psalm 1:3 - He is like a tree planted by streams of water that yields its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither. In all that he does, he prospers.

Revelation 22:2 - through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

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I'm sorry, just trying to clarify.

Are you asking if the tree of life has free will?

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I agree, a believer must show fruits.

Had an old timer that used to say, the proof is in the pudding....

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You posted the tree of knowledge of good and evil symbolizes man’s free will to decide whether to follow Gods word or their own. If this is the case, do you believe the tree of life is the opposite? Another thing, where do you find in scripture that the tree of knowledge of good and evil symbolizes man’s free will to decide whether to follow Gods word or their own? Why were fig leaves used in covering Adam and Eve?

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Could the tree of the knowledge of good and evil symbolizes the works of the flesh which result in death

And the tree of life the fruit of the Spirit which results in life

And the leaves, if in revelation 22 the leaves are for the healing of the Nations does that relate to them being covered by leaves in the garden?

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They weren’t covered by just any leaves. The writer wanted to point out that they were only covered in the leaves of the fig tree. Yet, they only covered their lower parts. The knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve did the bare minimum. What was the knowledge of good and evil which didn’t bring fruit to eternal life?
Galatians 3:21

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*The fig tree represents the Bride
*Who broke the covenant relationship with God through disobeying His commandment
*Who tried to establish her own righteousness by covering with fig leaves instead of by faithful obedience

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Wouldn't that be Eve? Trying to establish her own authority by leading her husband? I bet it was her idea to make aprons out of fig leaves. 1 Timothy 2:14

Adam loses his headship, because he knew full well what was going on.

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Chris Reed Came To Die For Our Sins


www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcqVkaafE2Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcqVkaafE2Q

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Chris can't believe that his messing with a female in his van was brought up. Rick Joyner is mess, but Chris Reed is a mess. Chris Reed may sincerely believe that three years ago everything was put under the blood. He was caught through Katheryn's meeting with elders. She ended up telling them the reason for her smoking ganja was to calm her for what happened with the prophet. Rick Joyner shot himself in the foot for allowing the "caught" minister to stay. Not only stay but make Chris Reed the captain of the ship. Rick Joyner made Chris the Bishop. Rick is an idiot, and has to do some work in the woodshed. Chris shouldn't of made the first video, because no one on the internet or in real time can understand. Chris is digging a hole deeper, and deeper. Chris, you were messing around with a woman from THEIR SCHOOL. You had a clergy position, and you dropped the watermelon it's all over the place. Chris, you aren't repenting, you are just trying to make a landing pad so you can continue making money. Fame and Fortune! Good grief!

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Chris is looking pretty rough and scraggly in that video. Everybody pointing fingers at each other at Morning Star is just making things worse.

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It's the nature of the beast. From what I gather from Chris' plea on his video. Is that Chris is the real victim. Rick Joyner is just trying to destroy Chris' ministry because Rick is afraid that Chris will empty Morning Star. Chris assures his viewers that was no such intent. Chris' main complaint is that he is losing money. He has no way to support himself, his wife, or his 6 children. If I were Chris, and being a prophet. I would've thought about all that before I started texting perversion to some woman. Chris was already flirting with perversion years before he was caught. Don't believe for one second that any human just pops up one day and betrays his wife and 6 CHILDREN! Jesus said if a man looks upon a woman and lustfully desires her in his mind. He has already committed the act of adultery. Hey, Chris has a problem. It's a problem of self control. I can't say this enough, there are Atheists, to Hindus who can control themselves. Who can be honorable. Who would never stab you in the back, let alone their wives, and their children! Chris just ain't getting this through his money soaked brain. I guess because as a society no one cares about a President pulling this stunt while in the highest office in the country. Therefore Churchanity couldn't care less. So, let's just get on with the show.

Betrayal, not just of a wife, but the children are scared as well.

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I think the tree of life is symbolic
Which likely means the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is also symbolic.
And the fig tree is symbolic of Israel.
Possibly the fig leaves are also symbolic.

And I realize there are literal and symbolic applications.

The restoration of paradise in Rev 22 doesn't mean people are really eating leaves.

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Amen, the writer of Revelation at no point believed we would be eating leaves with our 12 different fruit salad.

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The Tree of Life is Christ.

The tree of knowledge of good and evil coupled with disobedience created the dual nature in man. Before this they were blind to sin and had no knowledge of it. God gave instruction to dress and keep the garden, but of the tree of knowledge of good and evil he said not to eat of it, never said they couldn't touch it. When Eve was deceived by the serpent, Adam ate of it because his wife gave it to him, it opened the realm of their will, desire or Gods word. They both chose to follow their own desire, pride, lust over the truth of Gods word.

The whole point of the deception of the serpent was to make Eve think she was going to become as god herself, how? Through knowledge, something she didn't understand but was so tempting to have. All knowledge is not necessarily good! There are some things that it is better not to know, no matter how curious that it may be.

I Corinthians 8:1
... Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

Ecclesiastes 1:18
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

The fig leaves were used because that was the tree they ate off of. God took what they made, and gave them coats of skins.

When I said the tree symbolized their will to Gods word, I meant it was God that told them (told Adam, who then told his wife) not to eat of it. The Bible speaks of Eves desire to eat the fruit during the conversation with the serpent, she was desiring to become wise (knowledgable). The word that was spoken to her (Gods direction) fell to the way side, while her desire, her will became superior to the word of God. Thus the will of both Adam and Eve overcame to word that God instructed them by.

When they left the garden they gained knowledge but not life.

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Do you know that one of the definitions of Morning Star is Lucifer?

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That’s because KJV borrows from the Vulgate.
Jesus is also called lucifer in 2 Peter 1:19

2 Peter 1:19

Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris

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Paul Cain laid his hands on Chris Reed's head and passed his mantel on him.
Chris Reed and Mike Bickel had closed door counseling sessions.

Think some spirits were communing?

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From what I have been reading, here on the forum, Chris Reed was Oneness Pentecostal. What I do not understand is how someone with that background could wind up neck-deep in Charismaniaville? Paul Cain? Seriously? Rick Joyner? I mean he might as well be doing telethons with Benny Hinn and John Avanzini.

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Paul Cain was a protege of William Braham and a mentor of Chris Reed.

Paul Cain and Rick Joyner were associated with the Kansas City Prophets who were influential in the development of the new Apostolic Reformation NAR.

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TD Jakes

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From what I’ve seen over the years is that “some” people seek the platform. They like the applause. Not, that anyone gets a standing ovation from a Pentecostal congregation. But, there are those who view a pulpit as a place to gain notoriety. They get swept away by the lure of power, and then finances. They then find that the more things you preach against is how your congregation either grows, or slows. William Branham and his other cruzematic preachers found that using an ecclesiastical con game the best way to build a following. William Branham sadly was so influential he built a Pentecostal “cargo” cult around himself. Where even Oneness Pentecostals even started to see him as one of their group. Even though William Branham didn’t believe what they believed. He was a chameleon, a shapeshifter, a side show act, or ecclesiastical parlor tricks. When Branham died in a horrendous car accident, others stepped in to his spot light. Later we would get the Jimmy Swaggarts of the television evangelical explosion in America. They became famous, then in time their perversions rose to the surface. An English historian once said, "power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” No matter if it’s a Pentecostal preacher or a public school teacher. There are individuals who have zero self control and discipline. Add a stage and lectern where an audience is involved. Where large sums of money can be made for just a small amount of effort. You have a recipe for disaster. The Chris Reeds and Rick Joyners of the world don’t only destroy themselves, but annihilate the poor individuals who they hoodwink. In Chris’ video pleas he isn’t sorry. Anyone with any shred of God in them would hide their face from the public eye. Not Chris Reed. Or his old boss Rick Joyner. While Joyner is doing damage control to save face and his business. Chris is doing the same. Both men are concerned about their careers in ecclesiastical show business. They aren’t the first to swim in the cess pool of religious perversion. They sadly won’t be the last. People are pretty numb at this point. Jimmy Swaggart went after Ozzy Osborne back in the 80s. Sadly, Ozzy Osborne got the last laugh. That was in 1989? We are now in 2024. No standing behind a pulpit with a teary eyed apology from Chris Reed with the words “I sinned against you my Lord.” Nope, Chris believes he’s good. Why? Because the men he hung out with were serial perverts themselves.

Therefore young ministers who hunger for the platform instead of the prayer room. May find themselves on the same deadly path to destruction.

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This is the video of Katheryn the woman who had the affair with Chris Reed.
She is giving her side of the story.

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Victim of Chris Reed SPEAKS OUT, "He told me he wished he could marry me..."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTq23YC6hb8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTq23YC6hb8

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These young people bring up a valid point. In these situations, and other sensitive situations. It's the Elder Women who need to meet with the woman, or women. I don't believe in female leadership, women preachers, over adult males. Yet, the Bible does teach us that women deal with women. Titus 2:3-5, is very clear. A woman having a situation with her and a minister, doesn't need to be interrogated by a group of male ministers. The Elder Women, are best suited to be able to minister in some very delicate situations.

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Why don’t you tell us how you really feel…..

On second thought maybe not.

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What’s wrong with anything I said?

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Nothing wrong with what was said, on the contrary you're right.

I was just joking when I said that.

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Hi all. Been away for a while. I personally have been in contact with Chris Reed and he still is apostolic. He still is Oneness. And he still baptizes in Jesus name. And he told me when he went to Morningstar that he wanted to keep in touch with apostolic brethren. He told me personally that way back when he joined Morningstar, he went and presented the Oneness belief to the whole crew there and they all accepted him believing that. In other words, they weren't cutting him off because of it, but he never left the apostolic faith. He believes in Jesus name Acts 2:38 salvation and one God.

Sad to see what's happening now. But he is our brother and we need to uphold him in prayer.

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Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star

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Hi Bro Blume! Happy to see you posting!

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Thanks. Been a while!

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How are you doing Brother Blume? How’s Sister Blume?
Hope all is going well in Jesus name :thumbsup

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I don’t believe anyone here doesn’t want to see him saved.

Hope he makes the right choices in Christ, and gives up aspirations to be a seer.


Glad to see you here again. Welcome back. :thumbsup

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Crazy world.

BELOVED PASTOR, DAVID BAKER, TAKES OWN LIFE AFTER ARREST.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxeiT_k2XvU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxeiT_k2XvU

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This guy used Chris Reed's dreams in his eschatological teachings. Chris drops the watermelon, and now this individual builds a case to not really defend Chris. But, to establish a case so Chris' dream is legit. Good grief.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR3Dr-D3esg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR3Dr-D3esg

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When you are in a hole, the best thing to do is stop digging.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH8IJEkVGbE&t=1338s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH8IJEkVGbE&t=1338s

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Chris says he has something big coming. A fellowship of house churches and small assemblies.