Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

So then... EVERYBODY has been/is/will be forgiven, right?

I mean, if forgiveness depends ONLY on the sacrifice of Christ, and NOT our works of obedience (such as repenting, believing, receiving, exercising faith, etc), then it follows that all mankind is forgiven, regardless of their obedience, belief, faith, etc.

right?

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

preach!

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

Repentance, is the most serious moment of the repentant life. it is both personal and shareable only with God. yes, honesty is needed here most certainly. remember repentance is not the step of, nor just a part of, but, the movement towards redemption. it is needed, but the intent must be proven in baptism. In baptism then, we truly surrender and die, entering into the body of Christ our Lord, where! we all know we rise in the likeness of his resurrection. life [blood], is found here in Christ. now, as to the third step[ why so named?], The gift! and that is just that, we have nothing to do with this, just receive it and be most thankful. regardless of all this talk about one, two or three steps, in all reality is one single act of redemption plan of salvation. many are baptized after having been filled with his spirit. some are filled, sitting in their seat, with his spirit. seemly in no set order. even though I see the importance of baptism , and know the new life is found in this watery grave, sometimes god reminds me that it is not in the order sometimes, but in the whole singular act. I am convinced that we need only comply, repent, and be baptized, and receive his gift, and be thankful. I desire to see everyone saved, and Acts 2:38. is the way.

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If the repentant, is truly sincere, truly convicted of their sins, then and only then, a true request is made, lord, forgive me. now, consider this, can we speak for God? yes, by the word of God. Acts 2:38. repentance [repent]] statement of choice only. you must be sincere here, and if so, then God responds in like manner. In baptism, and by the power of his blood, washes away, every sin. to say we are forgiven in repentance, would be like walking away from a woman in labor, stating the child was born in the evidence of delivery pains, and not when having emerged from the womb. Do not remove the seeker from any part of delivery, as the wholeness of redemption's plan, is wondrously observed in the voice of the new life [in tongues]. regardless of everyone's personal beliefs, salvation is a singular act of his grace. thank God, that the Lambs movement from the cross to the throne, was completed. not interrupted by those who seek to only have the cross, or maybe just the grave, mount of olive experience, or an upper room one. It is by faith, in this apostolic message, that my soul continues to follow him, you see, if I do not continue to be sincere and dedicated to it, all of the truth applied in the past years of my life is in vane, because I did not continue the journey. come walk with me, I am not judgmental, you see, we are both a work in progress.

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

There are some problems with the physical/natural birth analogy as presented by some:

1. Repentance is the same as insemination when the seed is planted and new life begins
2. Water baptism is the same as the child emerging from the womb as the water spills
3. Speaking with tongues is the voice of the newborn and it is a still birth without tongues


If we are pro-life we believe that life begins at conception. A person who receives the Word/seed and begins new life is a child of God whether there is a miscarriage or abortion or not. This makes everyone who has repented to be a child of God. Some preachers refer to them as children "in the womb of the church." We celebrate our "unborn" we talk to them, we brag about them, we name them, we show off pictures of them (sonograms). If they are "unborn children" are they not part of the family of God and will they not be raptured along with the rest of the family?

Multitudes of people have been baptized in the Spirit (spoke with tongues) but have never yet been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. With the current analogy, these folks are breathing and crying on their own but have not even left the womb yet. What kind of creatures are they--aquatic?
Then we have those who have been baptized "properly" but have never been baptized in the Spirit (spoken with tongues or cried or breathed). These are considered still born because they have no life. Yet we address them as "brother" or "sister" and fellowship them. What are we doing --playing with a bunch of "dead babies"? How long before these little corpses decay and have to be put away somewhere?

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

Esaias, if you are the same Esaias who use to post here but left, good to see you back. If not, welcome, you have acquired a name that brings back fond memories both here on AFF, GNC, and NFCF.

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

Repentance must always be defined, if the repentant is sincere and honest he is truly forgiven, if not why venture further so burdened and denied? We must remember that redemption is not so divided of its self , as to not be as real in forgiving us, as it is in the giving of his gift. this singular act is progressive in all of its endeavor. The part here that seemingly divides the body of Christ is in the putting away our filthy sins that have been forgiven, that remain still, the dead body that needs washed in his blood in Jesus Name. this is where we are divided! you are forgiven, yes, but your sins need to be remitted, and only Jesus can do this, this he has prepared for us in the shedding of his blood. and we enter into him to complete this work of divine grace. the blood is applies in baptism, but never question the very moment we came to him, please, it is very real, and very precious,

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

We must simply be honest, redemption's plan for us is God given, thank God!

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

yet the same Greek word (aphesis) is some times translated forgiven and some times translated remitted and some times translated deliverance....

APHESIS (Strong's word 859) is used as follows in the Greek Scriptures and is translated as follows in the KJV New Testament:
..
--Mt 26:28 ..For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the REMISSION of sins.
--Mr 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the REMISSION of sins.
--Mr 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never FORGIVENESS, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
--Lu 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the..REMISSION of their sins,
--Lu 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the..baptism of repentance for the REMISSION of sins;
--Lu 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the
brokenhearted, to preach DELIVERANCE to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to SET AT LIBERTY them that are bruised,
--Lu 24:47 And that repentance and REMISSION of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
--Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
--Ac 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and FORGVENESS of sins.
--Ac 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive REMISSION of sins.
--Ac 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that
through this man is preached unto you the FORGIVENESS of sins:
--Ac 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive..FORGIVENESS of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
--Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the FORGIVENESS of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
--Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the..FORGIVENESS of sins:
--Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no REMISSION.
--Heb 10:18 Now where REMISSION of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 

What a wonderful truth we have shared, thank you, God bless you and your two children, your wife Pat, and perhaps an other wish, Cin,chilli, Mt. Wash. chilli parlor. say, now that's a thought dear friend.