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Thad	12-03-2007 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 317467)

I'm sure I understand your question, Thad. Please elaborate.

you said he was THEIR #1 Apologist ?? why then would they attack him so?

SDG	12-03-2007 12:31 PM

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5. Contrary to allegations, my basic positions on holiness have remained the same. You can see this for yourself if you will read In Search of Holiness (1981, 2nd edition 2006) and Practical Holiness (1985); compare them with our church’s “Guidelines for Leadership and Public Ministry” in my book Growing a Church (2001); and then visit our church in Austin today. You will see that the growth of my family, the growth of our church, or my being elected as district superintendent has not changed my teachings. Moreover, the books are clear; you can easily understand my position on holiness from them.

Has DB always maintained his current view on facial hair throughout these books and position statements? Does anyone have some data to support this?

Thad	12-03-2007 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 317481)

Has DB always maintained his current view on facial hair throughout these books and position statements? Does anyone have some data to support this?

I think he explained his new stance at the last symposium??

SDG	12-03-2007 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 317485)

I think he explained his new stance at the last symposium??

So he has changed in some of his views? ... if so, how does he reconcile this w/ this statement:

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Contrary to allegations, my basic positions on holiness have remained the same

staysharp

12-03-2007 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 317485)

I think he explained his new stance at the last symposium??

My point exactly. (New)

SDG	12-03-2007 12:35 PM

I also have seen evidence of shifting on the technology issue, mainly TV ... as shown in his letters regarding TV ...

He does think that changes to the present position may need to happen due to innovations in technology.

staysharp

12-03-2007 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 317493)

So he has changed in some of his views? ... if so, how does he reconcile this w/ this statement:

DB does not believe water saves you either.

Thad	12-03-2007 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 317493)

So he has changed in some of his views? ... if so, how does he reconcile this w/ this statement:

i think he explained it as a cultural shift??
how at one time it was a good idea(hippie,rebellion movement,etc)
but does not apply today.

Don't be hard on him for this Dan

SDG	12-03-2007 12:36 PM

I see your point, SS. He's trying to show that he hasn't changed but perhaps he has. This is a tightrope act, IMO.

SDG	12-03-2007 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 317500)

i think he explained it as a cultural shift??
how at one time it was a good idea(hippie,rebellion movement,etc)
but does not apply today.

Don't be hard on him for this Dan

Yet ... w/ both issues he's matured because he has seen cultural and technological forces that have called him to question previously held positions.

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