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Rico 07-10-2008 09:26 AM
Re: Why I break the law
 
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 523924)
It shows the sinfulness of man to bring us to Christ.
If it's exposing the sinfulness of man, then by default it makes known the righteousness of God.

Baron1710 07-10-2008 09:26 AM
Re: Why I break the law
 
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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 523917)
Except the validity of the OT is confirmed throughout the NT.
Valid for what? The testimony of the sinfulness of man and a coming Savior. Or a list of rules for those under the New Covenant?

Baron1710 07-10-2008 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 523926)
You haven't finished the passage. Christ states when it will be finished.

Mat. 5- 17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly, I say to you,(D) until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
There is enough in this passage to write a book on and there has been. Jesus fulfilled it. Do you obey all the Law? If not how do you chose which part?

Rico 07-10-2008 09:29 AM
Re: Why I break the law
 
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 523919)
This is not about antinomianism. People of faith are ruled by him not by a strict list of do this don't do that.
Your faith establishes the law, Baron.



Romans 3:31 (KJV)
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Tyk 07-10-2008 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 523914)
He said he didn't come to abolish it but fulfill it. He fulfilled it. Fulfilled means to complete.
Yes, but complete doesn't mean its over - it means it's finally "all there" complete.

In my interpretation. I could be wrong, haven't got to study it "completely" yet
:)

Rico 07-10-2008 09:32 AM
Re: Why I break the law
 
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 523930)
There is enough in this passage to write a book on and there has been. Jesus fulfilled it. Do you obey all the Law? If not how do you chose which part?
Baron, the issue isn't one of obeying everything found in the law. The issue is one of imputing God's righteousness, found in the law, through faith.

ReformedDave 07-10-2008 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 523923)
He didn't apply the law he used a principle from the law
That is exactly what the case law was used for. The application of the principle. It was an example of how to apply the law. Example: a wall around our roof top doesn't literally apply in this culture but a fence around our pool does. That is an application of a godly law.

Ferd 07-10-2008 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 523914)
He said he didn't come to abolish it but fulfill it. He fulfilled it. Fulfilled means to complete.
Complete meaning end (abolish)?

OR compelte meaning perfect?

ReformedDave 07-10-2008 09:37 AM
Re: Why I break the law
 
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 523930)
There is enough in this passage to write a book on and there has been. Jesus fulfilled it. Do you obey all the Law? If not how do you chose which part?
You still didn't exegete the passage. Side step all you want.

Do I obey the law? I try as best to my understanding and sanctification. I do it because it reflects the holiness of God and His character. Do I do it well? I will never do it well to I'm glorified but I sure strive to.

What part? That's an exegetical issue. I'm sure I'll be working on it till I die.

Baron1710 07-10-2008 09:39 AM
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I am going to have to pick this up later my wife had car problems and I am going to have to make some phone calls maybe I can pick it up in a couple of hours.


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