Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
 

Blume ... I get walking and maturity in the Spirit ... but you stump growth and encourage midgets when worship theatrics and tongues (only one kind) are the core of your message ... service in and service out ....

The same folks who tell you that you need to demonstrate the "mature" fruit of the Spirit will say something's wrong with you SPIRITUALLY from the pulpit if you aren't jukin' and jivin' with the praise team, jumping of the balcony, or not speaking in your prayer language at the altar. It's inherent and prevalent in your church culture despite the need for "contrast".

Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
 

No no no no no.

How could it be stunting growth when you HAVE TO START GROWING SOMEWHERE? :)

The idea of initial evidence is not pumped and pumped and pumped in my church. Check out my sermons and see for yourself. The point is that salvation for newborns requires newborns, and you cannot stunt the growth of those not even BORN YET. :)

I am amazed you are missing my point.

You need to attend MY church culture to see for yourself that you are VERY WRONG. :)

But you hijacked your own thread.

Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
 

Fruit of an Apostolic... judgmental, gossip, etc, etc,

Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
 

Pastor who posted it on FB responds ... methinks I was pretty on target .... there seems to be a convoluted idea of spiritual and apostolic fruit.

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Not all, but in many cases, yes.

Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
 

I still think you are looking for something not present, Mr. Quixote. ;) j/k

If fruit of the Spirit are required for true Christianity, and one obviously thinks the apostolic concept is truth, then I see nothing out of line here. He is not saying anyone who claims fruit of the Spirit and is not apostolic is lying.

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Well, that almost sounds like he is saying that if a person is Apostolic (the church that started on Pentecost? )... the person should demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit. What's the gripe?

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You said it better... :bliss

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Thank you captain obvious ... but the fruit seems to be now indelibly tied to apostolic fruit ... not the Vine's.

You confuse folks if you start adding this stuff ... the preacher may understand what he means but when you constantly drum beat ... the same mantra ... the "immature" are stunted.

Why does the everything have to be "apostolic" ... why not just speak about spiritual fruit without having to go into the "apostolic identity" and "apostolic fruit" spiel ...

That's because the culture doesn't think anyone is spiritual unless they look and represent their myopic view of "apostolic".

I can talk about the virtues of pure chocolate all day but if all I serve and value is vanilla and caramel ... those listening will never value the virtues of chocolate.

He's advocating balance by planting imbalance while expecting to sow balance ... it seems. Just talk about the Spirit walk ... to disciples.

Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
 

kay..
Gotcha. Don't disagree.
You know the answer to this. :)

This is part of the answer.