Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 

I got to meet MJ at the Global shindig for the first time ... was surprised he and his wife had been reading some of my rants ...

They are CLASSY folks.

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 

I think I remember giving my Mother his tapes to listen to. She enjoyed listening to him and asked if he was on staff at the church I attended in Jacksonville, NC.

I think she wanted to see if I could ask him to come and preach at my parent's church in MD.

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 

It's not the "In Your Face" type of bullying and intimidation. These "bullies" don't have the guts. Instead, it's the letter writing and campaigns of gossip and character assassination.

Do you think Chester ever had the guts to say what he wrote to KH directly to MJ's face? No. That's not how these guys operate.

That's why I think it would be very beneficial to all if we ALL stood up against these types of attacks. Make them bring it out into the open in a forum where they will be held accountable.

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 

I predict it won't be long until we hear a conference sermon about "all these emergents leaving the organization." Of course, there will be a lot of glee in the preacher's eyes when he says "Thank God and Greyhound they're gone!"

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 

Pel - I don't think you can hang this one on him. I believe that what he meant to happen with the org was stopped by the way NAU handled the affirmation statement.
I think this goes right back to the TV vote, which so far has appeared to be more of a symbolic vote.
This led to the loss of some far right churches, which then resulted in the entire org moving further to the right. Now you have the reaction from the more left-leaning churches who are not happy.
Sort of an interesting study in group org politics and I would like for someone to complete an in-depth look at it, with some facts and figures.

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 

Oh. My. Word.

I had heard that these men were leaving...

I remember feeling like we were the only ones leaving back in 2008...I now realize how wrong I was about that feeling! Sad to say, I do think more will leave...

So, I guess my hubby and I should join Global?!?!? That seems to be the place to be if you leave! :D:D:D:D

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 

Fight City Hall? Is that considered proper in a religious organization? Especially if the challenges were in areas considered "salvational".

For the record.... I do NOT know why either of these gentlemen left UPC. I didn't even know they had until now...

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next
 

Regarding SW, not really Pel. He is just as vitriolic as before

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 

Anyone on here that is close to maryland and deleware want to pm me? Would love to chat!!

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 

Can you explain "sick of it"? What exactly is causing you guys to let your license drop