Originally Posted by TK Burk (Post 1506372)

That church insurance has gotten to a place where having firearms present during church services is a savings consideration.

It's scary we've come to such a place.

Originally Posted by TK Burk (Post 1506382)

I have to agree. Years ago we had a bat fly into our Sunday night service and flew all over. It caused an absolute meltdown--of men and women. One of the brothers stood on a back pew, smacked it down, and took it outside. I can only imagine how crazy a room full of Pentecostals would be if a shooter was in their service. Then add to that any (or all) who may be carrying shooting back. I don't know if that would be safer or not.

So, like you said, I also wondered how an insurance company would see that as a good thing. Maybe if the church had trained ushers that were in place for such a problem. But, again, I do not think I'd feel real safe with some of the ushers I've known--training or not.

But the pastor I spoke told me he had armed people (usually more than one) in every service, and that was something his insurance preferred.

Originally Posted by Jito463 (Post 1506427)

Ah, I see. I thought you were saying the mere presence of guns was a scary thought.

You're saying it's a sad sign of the times that guns are expected in Church.
In Colonial times however, it was not just common to find guns in Church, it was expected (in fact, it was sometimes the law that they had to have one).

http://www.claytoncramer.com/popular...GunControl.PDF



If anything, I'd say we're coming full circle.

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1506428)

this is where real faith comes like, kinda like when you are shouting with your eyes closed and you don't hit anyone or kill yourself.

Originally Posted by Jito463 (Post 1506427)

Ah, I see. I thought you were saying the mere presence of guns was a scary thought.

You're saying it's a sad sign of the times that guns are expected in Church.
In Colonial times however, it was not just common to find guns in Church, it was expected (in fact, it was sometimes the law that they had to have one).

http://www.claytoncramer.com/popular...GunControl.PDF



If anything, I'd say we're coming full circle.

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1506428)

this is where real faith comes like, kinda like when you are shouting with your eyes closed and you don't hit anyone or kill yourself.

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1506439)

I don’t think the Lord would be pleased.

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1506438)

To protect from savages?

Originally Posted by Jito463 (Post 1506427)

Ah, I see. I thought you were saying the mere presence of guns was a scary thought.

You're saying it's a sad sign of the times that guns are expected in Church.
In Colonial times however, it was not just common to find guns in Church, it was expected (in fact, it was sometimes the law that they had to have one).

http://www.claytoncramer.com/popular...GunControl.PDF



If anything, I'd say we're coming full circle.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1506461)

Anyone here ever seen a demon or demons cast out of a person?

Not that all violence is demonically motivated but at times worship and praise does miraculous things. Had a group of troublemakers come into a service and through praise they became totally silenced. To the point that they joined in to clapping and singing. They stayed for the preaching then came to the altar. Had altercations in the street where Jesus handled the problem quite well. I have been jumped by five men and had the snot stomped out of me, but the Lord saved my life right before they crushed my skull in. So, while, guns, knives, axe handles, and a GE M134 minigun mounted on the pulpit may end all complaints against a bad sermon. Jesus can still calm the storm.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1506461)

Anyone here ever seen a demon or demons cast out of a person?

Not that all violence is demonically motivated but at times worship and praise does miraculous things. Had a group of troublemakers come into a service and through praise they became totally silenced. To the point that they joined in to clapping and singing. They stayed for the preaching then came to the altar. Had altercations in the street where Jesus handled the problem quite well. I have been jumped by five men and had the snot stomped out of me, but the Lord saved my life right before they crushed my skull in. So, while, guns, knives, axe handles, and a GE M134 minigun mounted on the pulpit may end all complaints against a bad sermon. Jesus can still calm the storm.