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OldPathsII 02-02-2011 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1023130)
Where is that in the story?

And after knowing more about the audience, their reaction, etc... I'm not sure why that would even be part of the story. It's like taking a metaphor too long. This isn't a true story, it's a parable. And in this story is you and I.

The story doesn't linger on the why, or even much about his leaving. We get this:

'Father, I want right now what's coming to me.'

12-16"So the father divided the property between them. It wasn't long before the younger son packed his bags and left for a distant country.


I'm not denying that, if we see ourselves in this story, by the very implication, living lives our ways means not His way. And even, in rebellion to his commandments. But this isn't a character, role or feature of the story. When you bring something into a still shot, you lose focus of the picture that was intended. Keep the focus and meaning of this story on the right things.


Where is that in the story? Are you serious? Do you need every little thing spelled out for you? The bible says the son went and lived a horrible lifestyle. Do you need for there to be a verse that says, "And thus saith the Lord, that's not how he lived when he was at home"?

The story doesn't linger on the reasons why because it's so obvious the reasons why he left. I'm afraid the bible would have to be 400,000 long for people like you to truly follow God. You have to have everything spelled out just to your liking. You need verses like, "Thou shalt not smoke marijuana" in order to believe it's wrong. How sad.

Socialite 02-02-2011 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1023144)
Not so much a Damascus road experience, but he knew enough to know he was wrong. It didn't have to be a Damascus road to "come to himself".

He cursed his father? Where does it imply that he did that? How is there "shame" in love?

That's just not in the story, PO.

I'll get back to you on the cursing stuff :) It's fun to unpack these things from their historical context. Makes more sense the reason the Pharisees were upset by his story time that day.

Socialite 02-02-2011 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII (Post 1023146)
Where is that in the story? Are you serious? Do you need every little thing spelled out for you? The bible says the son went and lived a horrible lifestyle. Do you need for there to be a verse that says, "And thus saith the Lord, that's not how he lived when he was at home"?

The story doesn't linger on the reasons why because it's so obvious the reasons why he left. I'm afraid the bible would have to be 400,000 long for people like you to truly follow God. You have to have everything spelled out just to your liking. You need verses like, "Thou shalt not smoke marijuana" in order to believe it's wrong. How sad.

No, we are just talking about a specific story and working at interpreting it. It's nice when our interpretations are based on the content of the story.

Tone down on me, or I'll report you. Sounding a little aggressive :)

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1023137)
Those were rehearsed. It wasn't some heartfelt moment. It was all about getting back and living the high life again. Very little to do with heaven. All part of his plan.

He merited it????????????? What on earth are you reading, PO? He didn't know anything. He figured he'd work for a hired servant and earn his way back. He got back to the top instead, and the Father showered him with love and grace before he could spit the rest of his plan out.

This wasn't a "how to come to God to be saved" -- it was a "How God's grace comes to us and saves us."

Rehearsed and not heartfelt? He didn't have to say ANYTHING after his father fell on his neck, but he did. IMO, he wanted to make sure his father knew that he understood the severity of what he had done.

He didn't know anything? Who told him he had "sinned against heaven"? One of the pigs in the pig pen? "Hey, dude, I was reading your Bible and...." Okay, just kidding, but it would make a great movie! Okay, cartoon. LOL!

You are making him out to be a con-man. He was just a lost boy that needed his daddy.

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This wasn't a "how to come to God to be saved" -- it was a "How God's grace comes to us and saves us."
"For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." Romans 9:15

Somewhere, in the grand scheme of things, it must begin at our heart and God takes it from there. Grace is extended according to our obedience.

"By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" Romans 1:5

OldPathsII 02-02-2011 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII (Post 1023146)
Where is that in the story? Are you serious? Do you need every little thing spelled out for you? The bible says the son went and lived a horrible lifestyle. Do you need for there to be a verse that says, "And thus saith the Lord, that's not how he lived when he was at home"?

The story doesn't linger on the reasons why because it's so obvious the reasons why he left. I'm afraid the bible would have to be 400,000 long for people like you to truly follow God. You have to have everything spelled out just to your liking. You need verses like, "Thou shalt not smoke marijuana" in order to believe it's wrong. How sad.



I've been advised that I should edit this post, but is it ok if I just apologize and leave it here as an example of what shouldn't be said and how apologies are sometimes necessary? I'm sorry, Socialite, for my harsh words. I'm afraid I got caught up in the swirl of conversation and fell victim to my flesh. In my passion to stand for Truth I sometimes express myself too strongly. Maybe I should fade off into the sunset as I did previously. It's possible that I'm not adding anything to this gathering but strife and I would never want to do that. Administration and Socialite, please accept my apologies.

Socialite 02-02-2011 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1023171)
Rehearsed and not heartfelt? He didn't have to say ANYTHING after his father fell on his neck, but he did. IMO, he wanted to make sure his father knew that he understood the severity of what he had done.

He didn't know anything? Who told him he had "sinned against heaven"? One of the pigs in the pig pen? "Hey, dude, I was reading your Bible and...." Okay, just kidding, but it would make a great movie! Okay, cartoon. LOL!

You are making him out to be a con-man. He was just a lost boy that needed his daddy.



"For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." Romans 9:15

Somewhere, in the grand scheme of things, it must begin at our heart and God takes it from there. Grace is extended according to our obedience.

"By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" Romans 1:5

The context of his rehearsal was all in the same breath of him figuring out what he would. "I will tell him I've sinned against heaven (common Jewish response for repentance) and then work for a hired servant and get out of this pig farm." Nothing in there signifying a work of repentance in the son. No doubt, like any human, he felt bad. But mostly, he was coming back home because he spent all his money. Rob seems to think because he considered "the rules aren't so bad" (which you disagree) -- I lean more toward him genuinely wanting the Father's acceptance, but going about it in a way that most of us do. In spite of it, he was shown Grace --- even before his rehearsed story.

Grace is extended BEFORE our obedience. Let's get the Gospel the right way, PO.

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII (Post 1023146)
Where is that in the story? Are you serious? Do you need every little thing spelled out for you? The bible says the son went and lived a horrible lifestyle. Do you need for there to be a verse that says, "And thus saith the Lord, that's not how he lived when he was at home"?

The story doesn't linger on the reasons why because it's so obvious the reasons why he left. I'm afraid the bible would have to be 400,000 long for people like you to truly follow God. You have to have everything spelled out just to your liking. You need verses like, "Thou shalt not smoke marijuana" in order to believe it's wrong. How sad.

:naughty

This is what we are trying to get right - the civility. I took the liberty of re-wording your posts as way of example. :D

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII (Post 1023146)
Where is that in the story? The bible says the son went and lived a horrible lifestyle.

The story doesn't linger on the reasons why because it's so obvious the reasons why he left.

See? And you didn't have to spend much time typing it. :heeheehee

Socialite 02-02-2011 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII (Post 1023172)
I've been advised that I should edit this post, but is it ok if I just apologize and leave it here as an example of what shouldn't be said and how apologies are sometimes necessary? I'm sorry, Socialite, for my harsh words. I'm afraid I got caught up in the swirl of conversation and fell victim to my flesh. In my passion to stand for Truth I sometimes express myself too strongly. Maybe I should fade off into the sunset as I did previously. It's possible that I'm not adding anything to this gathering but strife and I would never want to do that. Administration and Socialite, please accept my apologies.

Accepted.

I too get passionate sometimes and have been guilty of far greater crimes :)

MissBrattified 02-02-2011 06:28 PM

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OldPathsII,

You don't need to go anywhere! Your views are valuable and I'm happy that you've joined and are participating. You've should have seen some of my posts the first few days I was on the forum (actually, it was at a predecessor of this one, the faithchildforum). I got myself into a lot of hot water right off the bat. :D (And then I got my sister into hot water, too, but that's a long story....)

It takes a little bit to learn the ropes; please stick around! :thumbsup

Cindy 02-02-2011 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII (Post 1023172)
I've been advised that I should edit this post, but is it ok if I just apologize and leave it here as an example of what shouldn't be said and how apologies are sometimes necessary? I'm sorry, Socialite, for my harsh words. I'm afraid I got caught up in the swirl of conversation and fell victim to my flesh. In my passion to stand for Truth I sometimes express myself too strongly. Maybe I should fade off into the sunset as I did previously. It's possible that I'm not adding anything to this gathering but strife and I would never want to do that. Administration and Socialite, please accept my apologies.

You are doing fine, OPII.

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1023176)
The context of his rehearsal was all in the same breath of him figuring out what he would. "I will tell him I've sinned against heaven (common Jewish response for repentance) and then work for a hired servant and get out of this pig farm." Nothing in there signifying a work of repentance in the son. No doubt, like any human, he felt bad. But mostly, he was coming back home because he spent all his money. Rob seems to think because he considered "the rules aren't so bad" (which you disagree) -- I lean more toward him genuinely wanting the Father's acceptance, but going about it in a way that most of us do. In spite of it, he was shown Grace --- even before his rehearsed story.

You insist on a rehearsal "speech" and I just see that he "came to himself" and wanted to go home.

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Grace is extended BEFORE our obedience. Let's get the Gospel the right way, PO.
That isn't what Romans 1:5 says. "...received grace and apostleship, for obedience .." I suppose we could quibble over "eis", but I believe it to mean expressing the purpose - "in order to" and not "because of".

I am not sure I disagree with Rob. If he considered going home because it was a better place for him, I'm not sure that didn't include the "rules of house". We have "rules" in our house.

When my daughter was 16 and acting out, I called her and said, "You have a choice. You can live here and honor this home and God or you can come and get all of your belongings." We have rules and they will be honored.

I don't see the prodigal son living in different environment and if he walked away because of foolish youth, he also walked away from obedience. That, again, entails some rules were broken.

OneAccord 02-02-2011 06:36 PM

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Not meaning to muddle the waters even more, but I'm reminded of something I wrote and posted on AFF a long time ago....

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The Elder Son
Luke 15:25-31

by OneAccord

We’ve all heard the story about the Prodical Son. But what about the other son? The Elder Son is the one who served his father faithfully. He remained true to his family, He was faithful in service, and never lived the riotous life that his younger brother had lived.

However, the Elder Son in this story serves as a perfect example of many Christians who have become a little too pre-occupied in the Fathers service.

For one thing, our first glimpse of the Elder Son is while he was returning from the field… far from the fathers house. Yes, he was faithfully working, but sometimes, working for God becomes our priority rather than God Himself. While the Elder Son busied himself with his chores, he was depriving himself of some quality time with his father. Elder Sons of today are so busy working for God that they often neglect their relationship WITH GOD. No time to pray, got to get to the next church function. Can’t fast, having a church dinner tomorrow night. You can tell today’s Elder Sons from a mile away. They are the ones who have no time for their families, because they have to rush to the next revival or campmeeting. Like Peter on the night of the Lord’s arrest, they follow the Lord but only from “afar”. Martha was acting like an Elder Son when she concerned herself only with SERVING Jesus, while Mary sat at His feet establishing a relationship with Him. (Luke 10) While we “must be about the Father’s service”, we must never neglect to spend quality time with the Lord.

In fact, the Elder Son had spent so much time away from the fathers house that he failed to recognize that sound of merriment. This reminds me of the present day Elder Sons who have neglected their fellowship with the Lord to the point that they no longer even recognize the moving of God’s Spirit. In fact, in some cases, they have drifted so far from the Fathers house, that they now find Pentecostal worship quite annoying. Just as the Elder Son in our story became angry with all this unnecessary merriment, the Elder Sons of today are annoyed and embarrassed by the moving of God’s Spirit. This Elder Son was so removed from fathers house that he didn’t understand what all the music and dancing was all about. He had to ask what it was all about.

And, he became angry. His anger was motivated by jealousy and hatred. And he refused to enter his fathers house. Like the Elder Son here, present day Elder Sons refuse to enter into the blessing of God because they don‘t like all that noise in the church service anymore.. The Works of the flesh rule them rather than the Fruit of the Spirit. There is no joy to their Christian walk. Theirs is a life of spiritual drudgery, conforming to man made rules, rather than being led by God’s Spirit. They aren’t motivated by love when they see a sinner give his heart to the Lord. Rather, just like the Elder Son here, they begin to judge their own spirituality by what they perceive as a lack of spirituality in others around them. They become self-righteous. “Why, I’ve been a faithful member for years, and you’ve never made such a fuss over me!” They point out the mistakes and failing of others while they gloat about their own spiritual accomplishments. (Luke 15:29-30) Like another Elder Son in Luke 18, they stand before God pointing out their own spirituality while rejoicing that they aren’t “like other men…or even this publican…", who humbly cried out to God for mercy.

Many Elder Sons of today have no interest in establishing a relationship with God. Their only interest in being in church is for what they can get from the church. “….Thou never gavest me a kid…”, the Elder Son wailed. Being a Christian isn’t about what we can GET, but rather about what we can GIVE. In addition, the Elder Son was satisfied with living beneath his spiritual privilege. He would have settled with a kid when he could have had a fatted calf anytime he wanted it. God wants us to prosper and be in health but often we settle for just getting by! We sing “Lord, just build me a cabin in Gloryland”, when it is the Fathers good pleasure to give us His Kingdom! The Elder Son settled for the life of a servant when, in fact, he was a SON!

This Elder Son boasted that he had “…never transgressed thy commandment….”. There are Elder Sons today who are proud of the fact that they have convinced themselves (and others) that they are without sin. John tells us that if we say we have no sin , we deceive ourselves. (1 John 1:8.) John also has quite a lot to say about hating our brothers. (1 John 3)

The Elder Son had no interest in spending time with His Father. He just wanted to spend time with his friends. (v 29). Many of today’s Eldest Sons think of the church as nothing more than a social meeting place where the latest gossip or the latest recipe or the latest sports scores are freely exchanged. Hearing the sermon has about as much interest to them as praying at the altar. The Supper Room takes precedence over the Upper Room.

The most insidious thing about this Elder Son is that he felt he had to earn place in the fathers house. Some today think they have to score points with the Great Scorekeeper to be a part of His Kingdom. We don’t earn our place in God’s Kingdom. That place was bought and paid for at Calvary. We don’t do works to get saved, we do what the Bible requires of us because we ARE saved! One of the greatest verses in the Bible is found in Luke 15:31. The father said to his son…” Son, thou are ever with me, and all that I have is thine.” And God is saying the same thing to us. Perhaps its time for us to come in out of the fields of our thinking we have to earn our place in God‘s Kingdom. Perhaps its time for us to come down from our lofty perches, and enter our Fathers House, where there is the sound of joy and gladness. Perhaps we need to lay down our self-righteous and judgmental tools of labor, and pull up a chair at the Masters Table.

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 1023135)
Busier than a one legged man in a... No, better not go there. Doin' good. Got a cold and sick of winter. Leaving for (of all places) Indiana tomorrow after work. Why, oh, why, can't the Lord call me to go somewhere like Costa Rico in the middle of the winter like He does Sherri? I hear Trinidad is nice this time of year.

Heard that somewhere before. LOL!

Well, I am sorry that you are sick and I will pray that you will, very shortly, be sitting on a family friendly beach with a tall glass of lemonade. Oh snap, I just got you married. Gotta watch what we pray for!! LOL!

Socialite 02-02-2011 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1023192)
You insist on a rehearsal "speech" and I just see that he "came to himself" and wanted to go home.

I don't insist, but it does jive better with what is included in the story to me.


That isn't what Romans 1:5 says. "...received grace and apostleship, for obedience .." I suppose we could quibble over "eis", but I believe it to mean expressing the purpose - "in order to" and not "because of".

Let's just read all of Romans while we're at it. Including Chapters 4 & 5. Grace doesn't come BECAUSE we are obedient, it comes before. You didn't choose God, He chose you!

I am not sure I disagree with Rob. If he considered going home because it was a better place for him, I'm not sure that didn't include the "rules of house". We have "rules" in our house.

So now you aren't disagreeing with Rob? When you thought it was my position, you were glad to. You guys are saying "I'm sure" while projecting into the story. Read Maxi's post on the Wizard of Oz. Would love to hear what you think.

When my daughter was 16 and acting out, I called her and said, "You have a choice. You can live here and honor this home and God or you can come and get all of your belongings." We have rules and they will be honored.

God has rules too. I get that. But this isn't what the story is about -- it's exactly the opposite emphasis and focus. Pharisees wished that's what it was about.

I don't see the prodigal son living in different environment and if he walked away because of foolish youth, he also walked away from obedience. That, again, entails some rules were broken.

*scratching my head a little, PO*

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 1023196)
Not meaning to muddle the waters even more, but I'm reminded of something I wrote and posted on AFF a long time ago....

That is good, OA!!

Socialite 02-02-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 1023196)
Not meaning to muddle the waters even more, but I'm reminded of something I wrote and posted on AFF a long time ago....

Good stuff, OA.


If Jesus was teaching a lesson to this audience that was present, who do you think the "elder brother" was in his story? Can we even know this? Who did it draw the most ire from?

Socialite 02-02-2011 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1023200)
That is good, OA!!

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The most insidious thing about this Elder Son is that he felt he had to earn place in the fathers house. Some today think they have to score points with the Great Scorekeeper to be a part of His Kingdom. We don’t earn our place in God’s Kingdom. That place was bought and paid for at Calvary.
But.. but.. what happened to obedience before Grace?

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1023199)
*scratching my head a little, PO*

I don't believe I ever said I disagreed with Rob. He also stated that there were more angles to the story. OA wrote an excellent article focusing on the elder son. Rob pointed out, his view, concerning the prodigal son.

Romans 1:5 starts out by saying that we have received BOTH grace and apostleship because of our obedience. Why do you want to skip over that portion of scripture. Many things we obtain are contingent upon our thoughts, actions and always our obedience. Cornelius' household, after receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost were "commanded" to be baptized. I assume the obeyed that command.

Part of the story is about rules. Commandment for a better word, since rules seem to have a scratching chalkboard sound. LOL! The reason why is because the prodigal son confessed that he sinned against heaven. He would have to know the laws of God to know he had done that very thing.

Socialite 02-02-2011 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1023211)
I don't believe I ever said I disagreed with Rob. He

You bolded my quote here:
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I actually believe the younger son was scheming when he came back, knowing he could get "better stuff" and this is the climax of the Story.
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I don't believe that.
later...
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Yes, he rehearsed what he was going to say, but you give the impression by saying, "I actually believe the younger son was scheming when he came back, knowing he could get "better stuff" and this is the climax of the Story.", as though he had no remorse for what he had done and had plans to waltz back into the good graces of his home because, after all, it's better than a pig pen.
compared with Rob's words:
pared with Rob's words:

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Quote:Why did he come home?
Why did he come home?
He decided that he could handle living with the Father's rules as long as he could enjoy Daddy's fried chicken.
Having trouble keeping up with you this time.

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1023205)
But.. but.. what happened to obedience before Grace?

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The most insidious thing about this Elder Son is that he felt he had to earn place in the fathers house. Some today think they have to score points with the Great Scorekeeper to be a part of His Kingdom. We don’t earn our place in God’s Kingdom. That place was bought and paid for at Calvary.
I took that as "works of the law" and not of obedience, i.e., "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." Hebrews 10:4

Socialite 02-02-2011 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1023211)
I don't believe I ever said I disagreed with Rob. He also stated that there were more angles to the story. OA wrote an excellent article focusing on the elder son. Rob pointed out, his view, concerning the prodigal son.

Romans 1:5 starts out by saying that we have received BOTH grace and apostleship because of our obedience. Why do you want to skip over that portion of scripture. Many things we obtain are contingent upon our thoughts, actions and always our obedience. Cornelius' household, after receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost were "commanded" to be baptized. I assume the obeyed that command.

Part of the story is about rules. Commandment for a better word, since rules seem to have a scratching chalkboard sound. LOL! The reason why is because the prodigal son confessed that he sinned against heaven. He would have to know the laws of God to know he had done that very thing.

Really curious about your ideas concerning interpretation. Read Maxi's posts and let me know. Who determines meaning?


Romans 1:5
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Through Christ, God has given us the privilege[c] and authority as apostles to tell Gentiles everywhere what God has done for them, so that they will believe and obey him, bringing glory to his name.
Not sure what point you are drawing out, PO.

God chose you -- you didn't choose Him.

The younger son was a sinner. That's what we get from the story. Rules, as was stated in Rob's post, is not a central, or even present component in the story. One has to project them into the story. It seems suspicious that we want to project that into the story to begin with. For what purpose?

This particular story has a point, purpose and message. Luke seems to be in on this as he's recording it. The focus is not rules -- it's the fact that he is a sinner in extravagant ways, while the father is loving in even more extravagant and yes, shameful, ways. Meanwhile, the elder brother, the one stuck in rules mode, earning it, etc is burning with hatred over this.

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1023216)
compared with Rob's words:
pared with Rob's words:
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Quote:Why did he come home?
Why did he come home?
He decided that he could handle living with the Father's rules as long as he could enjoy Daddy's fried chicken.

Having trouble keeping up with you this time.

Okay, I see what you were referring to. I didn't read the whole thread, so I missed this. So, no, I don't agree with Rob on that point.

I want to view the son as "coming to himself" and realizing that what he had done was against God and his father. I want to view that as him wanting to make things right. I want the story to reflect deep love. Did I say that's what I want. :D

Socialite 02-02-2011 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1023219)
I took that as "works of the law" and not of obedience, i.e., "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." Hebrews 10:4

Huh?

Socialite 02-02-2011 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1023226)
Okay, I see what you were referring to. I didn't read the whole thread, so I missed this. So, no, I don't agree with Rob on that point.

I want to view the son as "coming to himself" and realizing that what he had done was against God and his father. I want to view that as him wanting to make things right. I want the story to reflect deep love. Did I say that's what I want. :D

:ranting

OneAccord 02-02-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1023198)
Heard that somewhere before. LOL!

Well, I am sorry that you are sick and I will pray that you will, very shortly, be sitting on a family friendly beach with a tall glass of lemonade. Oh snap, I just got you married. Gotta watch what we pray for!! LOL!


No, no...pray THAT! Pray hard too. Tired of cookin' my own meals...doin my own laundry... scrubbin my own floors. Pray that she will be obedient, submissive and know her place is in the kitchen and won't be upsurpin' my authority. And, while you're at it, pray shes rich, cuz I'm tired of workin all the time.

Might be an unattached female type right here on AFF that fits the bill.

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1023225)
Really curious about your ideas concerning interpretation. Read Maxi's posts and let me know. Who determines meaning?


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Romans 1:5
Through Christ, God has given us the privilege[c] and authority as apostles to tell Gentiles everywhere what God has done for them, so that they will believe and obey him, bringing glory to his name.

Not sure what point you are drawing out, PO.

What in the world translation is that?



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God chose you -- you didn't choose Him.
Certainly, for every man is drawn by His Spirit, but I don't have to receive Him. I would need to be obedient to receive Him.

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The younger son was a sinner. That's what we get from the story. Rules, as was stated in Rob's post, is not a central, or even present component in the story. One has to project them into the story. It seems suspicious that we want to project that into the story to begin with. For what purpose?
I see why you are suspicious, but doesn't rebellion generally involve the rejection of rules?

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This particular story has a point, purpose and message. Luke seems to be in on this as he's recording it. The focus is not rules -- it's the fact that he is a sinner in extravagant ways, while the father is loving in even more extravagant and yes, shameful, ways. Meanwhile, the elder brother, the one stuck in rules mode, earning it, etc is burning with hatred over this.
There is your "rule mode" again. If the elder brother was stuck in a "rule mode", then it only stands to reason the prodigal walked away from it. The elder brother was not rebellious, hence, he followed the rules. He obeyed his father. He just felt he was the better for it. But love covers a multitude of sin and that is a larger order. Something the elder son didn't understand. But, I think he may have learned it from his father's example. Perhaps not right away, but in time.

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 1023233)
No, no...pray THAT! Pray hard too. Tired of cookin' my own meals...doin my own laundry... scrubbin my own floors. Pray that she will be obedient, submissive and know her place is in the kitchen and won't be upsurpin' my authority. And, while you're at it, pray shes rich, cuz I'm tired of workin all the time.

Might be an unattached female type right here on AFF that fits the bill.

You don't want a rich woman. I think you don't really care. You just want her to love you. And I will pray for that and I believe that God will answer our prayers. Can I get a finders fee? :D

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1023230)
:ranting

LOL! And YOU want him to have a scheming, prepared speech. :ranting

rgcraig 02-02-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 1023233)
No, no...pray THAT! Pray hard too. Tired of cookin' my own meals...doin my own laundry... scrubbin my own floors. Pray that she will be obedient, submissive and know her place is in the kitchen and won't be upsurpin' my authority. And, while you're at it, pray shes rich, cuz I'm tired of workin all the time.

Might be an unattached female type right here on AFF that fits the bill.

So you want a housekeeper? :smack

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 07:07 PM

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Huh?

There are two kinds of works. One that can't earn you anything and one that must be done to show our faith. "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" James 2:14 "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 07:09 PM

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So you want a housekeeper? :smack

I kind of noticed that, but didn't comment. I was afraid I would hit him too! LOL!

notofworks 02-02-2011 07:19 PM

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OldPathsII,

You don't need to go anywhere! Your views are valuable and I'm happy that you've joined and are participating. You've should have seen some of my posts the first few days I was on the forum (actually, it was at a predecessor of this one, the faithchildforum). I got myself into a lot of hot water right off the bat. :D (And then I got my sister into hot water, too, but that's a long story....)

It takes a little bit to learn the ropes; please stick around! :thumbsup



So you like new president of your fan club, huh?:heeheehee

rgcraig 02-02-2011 07:20 PM

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So you like new president of your fan club, huh?:heeheehee

Are you stalking MissB?

notofworks 02-02-2011 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 1023275)
Are you stalking MissB?



:lol

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 1023273)
So you like new president of your fan club, huh?:heeheehee

:heeheehee You are so bad!

notofworks 02-02-2011 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1023281)
:heeheehee You are so bad!


Well, I haven't seen a poster go so goofy over another poster since.......well,.......since I first showed up and you went crazy over everything I said. :happydance

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 1023288)
Well, I haven't seen a poster go so goofy over another poster since.......well,.......since I first showed up and you went crazy over everything I said. :happydance

LOL! I did?! Wuz I drunk? :happydance

notofworks 02-02-2011 07:30 PM

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LOL! I did?! Wuz I drunk? :happydance



Wasn't that you?? I thought for sure you were crazy about me!:gaga

Socialite 02-02-2011 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1023255)
There are two kinds of works. One that can't earn you anything and one that must be done to show our faith. "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" James 2:14 "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

The younger son merited the Father's love (your words),

Obedience comes before Grace (your words)

PO, I'm disappointed, Sis, that you have been with Him this long, yet don't understand completely what he did for you :covereyes



:)

Pressing-On 02-02-2011 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 1023295)
Wasn't that you?? I thought for sure you were crazy about me!:gaga

LOL!


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