Re: Sin, Life & Death
 

Really? Because the views I am expressing are the same ones I learned at CLC.

Re: Sin, Life & Death
 

You were explaining the human nature of Christ the same way I've heard it explained by trinitarians. I don't think I've ever heard a oneness person explain it in that way.

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Then you have never sat in Segrave's classes. That is orthodox Christology.

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Was he not called Immanuel/Emmanuel?

By your definition above, it seems difficult to reconcile the Spirit being one with Christ. I'm not sure what you mean, when you say that he was completely human like us, (containing body/soul/spirit). That would indicate that he was designed of earthly parents, with the Spirit of God...working in tandem?? What I do know is that the fullness of the Deity dwelt in him, bodily.

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So you say that Jesus did not have a human Spirit?

Let me quote Segraves now that I am home.

""My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me?" Should be understood in the context of Psalms 22, from which it is quoted. It is a poetic expression of the sense of aloneness the Messiah experienced as it pertained to His human existence at the point of this ultimate crises...In His human nature, He accepted and felt the full brunt of the consequences of the sins He bore: alienation from God. But this does not mean there was an actual separation of diety from humanity. If the incarnation is genuine, such a thing cannot be. Jesus was not a human person and a divine person both living in one body;...To suggest that He ever did anything apart from the Spirit of God would be to imply an untenable fracture between His human and divine natures." Daniel Segraves, Systematic Theology I p. 88-89 (1995)

Re: Sin, Life & Death
 

The doctrine of Christ... The spirit and flesh of Christ can never be separated. Christ was both fully man and fully God. Christ had a divine nature and a human nature, but natures cannot act. A person acts. As such, when Christ did anything he did it as a person. When Christ hungered, it was not the human nature that hungered but Christ himself that hungered. He hungered in his human nature, but since a nature cannot act, the whole person of Christ hungered. When Christ did anything as God, it was not the divine nature that did the act, but the whole person of Christ that acted. This is what is meant when Christ is declared to be fully man and fully God.

EDIT: This is according to my understanding, which may be flawed.

Re: Sin, Life & Death
 

I agree. I just have never heard a oneness believer declare it. Interesting.

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Which is why so many Oneness people are accused of being Jesus only in their view of the Godhead, they deny true humanity to Jesus and like Praxaes distinguish between deity and humanity in Christ, with the son being the flesh and and the Father the Spirit that lived inside. Like a puppet and a fake human really

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I think this is well said. I would only object to the idea that he did anything as God, since the Scripture is clear that the Son was always in reliance on the Father for the things that He said and did. He did everything as a man submitted to God. In the Garden we have a perfect example as he submits the humanity to the will of the Father.

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Agreed. If that is the view taken and the humanity of Jesus kept, Jesus isn't really God, but Jesus is a man who had a large portion of God dwelling in him.