Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 941867)

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 942110)

What's the use. You apparently believe that the dead in Christ have already risen and that we have already been changed and that the corruptible has already put on incorruption and the mortal has already put on immortality.

Also, the answer to the thread topic is going to vary depending on peoples views about whether the dead in Christ have already risen. In fact, it's going to be totally pointless to discuss this topic with anyone that has a different view on whether the dead in Christ have risen. All it will turn into is a discussion about whether the dead in Christ have risen or not and you apparently will not discuss that.

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 942148)

I wonder what kind lazarus had?

Originally Posted by SteppingStone (Post 941859)

Hey Pel thanks for your response:

From 1 Cor 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet.
That's past tense.
NIV: 27 For he "has put everything under his feet."
Still past tense.

He said he had all power prior to his last ascension so it's clear he conquered everything, including death. He holds the keys to death and hell.

The Word of God (Rhema--Utterance) itself is sitting in the place of authority and judgment.

How does Flesh = Spirit & Life?

Originally Posted by SteppingStone (Post 942255)

Well for one the above quote on Top is from an Admin so I no longer believe that I have the liberty to discuss specific questions.

The thread was simply intended to be a Poll. I gave the correct answer to be fair yet people are going to believe what they believe until God reveals it to them.

If you wanna talk about something many deem to be yet future then that will probably have to go in the Eschatology section.

Many have posted Eschatology type threads in this section but apparently they get a pass, maybe because it may or may not meet the current Admin's positions. I could be wrong though.

Whatever the case I am a man subject to authority like almost everyone else..

*Tip toes on thin ice*:dogpat

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 942148)

I wonder what kind lazarus had?

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 942350)

LOL. You do realize how whiny this post makes you sound right? By the way you didn't give the correct answer, you gave the wrong answer but I guess you are going to believe what you believe.

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 941909)

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, [B]then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.[/B]
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Death is the last enemy that shall be destroyed (Verse 26). Once death is destroyed then Christ will cease to reign (Verse 25). This will all happen at the end (24). The end won't happen till after the second coming of Christ (23). The dead will be made alive at the second coming of Christ (22+23).

Therefore, if the dead have not yet been made alive then 1 Corinthians 15 speaks of events which are yet to happen and thus Christ still reigns and death is not yet destroyed.

Further, all the verses except 27 speak of these things in future tense, mostly evidenced by the use of "shall". (I have bolded the relevant parts).

Further, read 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 for more insight. These verses clearly show that death is not swallowed up in victory until the dead are raised incorruptible...

Originally Posted by SteppingStone (Post 941764)

Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
Do people pray to a flesh entity?

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Words in this passage comes from "Rhema" not "Logos."
Rhema means speech, utterance, you hear a sound.

All power and authority transferred from one promise to another, it transferred from one set of words that were spoken to another set of words that were spoken. These spoken Words are Spirit & Life, not flesh...