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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 158208)

What did Peter tell those who were pricked in their hearts after they heard the gospel in Acts 2 and asked Men and brethren, what shall we do??
You would be wise to follow suit.

Do you believe Jesus taught the gospel when he went from town to town? Did he teach repentance? Did he teach baptism? Are these part of the gospel that he taught?

I absolutely believe so.

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 116907)

The Foundation of Salvation is built upon Doctrine.

Good People that do good works will not be saved unless they recognize they need God. The principles of Salvation do not work according to the laws and thoughts of men. The root principle of salvation is built upon the doctrine laid forth in the Word of God. It is built upon doctrinal truth in the Word of God.

A person can be filled with the Holy Ghost and not understand Doctrine but they must begin a journey of knowing WHO God is after his Spirit is imputed in them. If they recieve the Holy Ghost but never come to understand WHO He is, than the chances of them walking away from the Gospel are greatly acclerated. Some know Who He is and choose to walk away anyway and when that day comes there will be a recompense of judgement.

I do believe Doctrine is important. Not knowing Who God is or confused by the Doctrines set forth by men not founded in the Word will not save men.
Jesus said if you've seen me you have seen the Father. He asked the disciples who they thought he was. When Peter answered Christ told him that upon the Rock of Recognizing WHO Jesus was that the foundations of the church would be built upon it and Hell would not prevail against it.

Some do not think the Doctrine is important concering salvation. God's laws are still in effect for mankind in that He will not act contrary to His Word. He will not judge men contrary to what he has laid as the foundation of mankinds salvation.

Repentence, Baptism in Jesus Name and the infilling of God's Spirit evidenced by the supernatural work of speaking in a unkown tongue and living our lives according to His Word will in fact ensure that if we live our lives for Him we will be saved. Understanding our faults and repenting of our sins and living an overcoming life by the power and good will and mercies of God will be our saving grace.

False Doctrine won't save men because God will not veer from what He has laid forth in the Word of God. God does not lie so He will not circumvent the Gospel to appease what man feels or thinks. He will not change His plan laid forth in Word because of the opinions of man. The truth is if we are not following His plan we will be lost no matter how spiritual we are. God is not interested in the popularity of celebrity preachers or the oratory abilites of those who's lifestyles depends upon the shallowness of unregenerated and unchanged lives hoping that by giving they don't need the rest of the Word of God.

I don't think Folks will sneak into Heaven just by getting by or what they've done on this earth. The greatest among us are the least. And the most powerful are those that do their best to live God's Word daily without man's praise or opinion.

Sorry for the length.. BUT Doctrine Matters!!! One Lord.. One Faith.. One Baptism...

Not what men think.. But What Does Say the Word of the Lord..

just a thought...

Amen. That will preach Bro!

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 118544)

There are some ignorant folk out there that believe Acts 2:38 is the gospel, but our Ultra Cons here are not among them.....at least the good ones.

The Gospel is the death burial and resurection of Jesus Christ.

Acts 2:38 is the proper response to the gospel.

What do you mean ‘Acts 2:38 is the proper response to the gospel?’ Are you or are you not claiming that speaking in tongues and baptism with a ‘Lord Jesus Christ’ formula is necessary for salvation. Yes / No ? Can a person be saved if they have not obeyed Acts 2:38 as you define this verse? If no, then isn’t every other non-Oneness sect bound for hell including all Trinitarians? Yes / No?

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 151758)

baptismal regeneration is the doctrine the Catholics teach that water baptism itself results in someone be filled with the Spirit and regenerated. Not that it is necessary for salvation. Water baptism also is not a work, please define work

Not quite, Roman Catholicism teaches that the grace of God is mediated through the seven sacraments of the Church, of which water baptism is one. So technically this is somewhat similar to the Oneness Pentecostal position, as the official position of the RC is not the Water Baptism saves us, as if it could do that alone, but instead that it’s a channel for God’s grace. So in RC theology God saves us by grace through faith, but this grace is mediated to us usually by the Roman Catholic priesthood and always by the 7 sacraments of the Church of which water baptism is just one. Oneness Pentecostalism is similar to this, water baptism alone without faith and repentance can't save us, but Oneness like Roman Catholicism does regard water baptism as something which we need to do to be saved. Let me ask you Praxeas, can a person flat out disobey Acts 2:38 and yet still be saved in Oneness soteriology?

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 118544)

Fred, I've rethought my reply, please will you answer two questions. Firstly, can a person be saved if they have not responded to (that is obeyed) the gospel? Secondly, what does Acts 2:38 command us to do in response to the gospel? So does Acts 2:38 allow us to be saved if we have not responded by being properly baptised as you understand it, or can a person not speak in tongues and still be saved according to your understanding of Acts 2:38?