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Pressing-On 06-13-2012 11:55 AM

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The District Attorney in our area said, this morning, that the case would be termed as self-defense as the 4-year old was not able to defend herself. That gives another person, her father, the legal right to step in and protect her.

None of these law enforcement people are denying the story.

Jermyn Davidson 06-13-2012 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 1168028)
This is a case the leftist law firms would like to call a classic hate crime case. Double punishment for racist hate killing.


It's not too much to ask for proof and/or witnesses for such an ugly accusation-- especially given the father's JUSTIFIED response, if the father is telling the truth.


I think the burden of proof needs to be on the father in this case because he KILLED a man.

I really, really, really hope this young man is telling the truth. Apparently, he killed his daughter's attacker with his bare hands. He is also said to be remorseful as he never intended to kill the man, but was only trying to save his daughter.

Margies3 06-13-2012 04:47 PM

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This father should probably be lining up some serious counseling right away - both for his little girl AND for himself. Imagine walking in and finding some jerk molesting your baby girl. THAT in itself would be enough to make someone need some help talking thru their feelings. And then to know that even tho it was totally justified and maybe even necessary, still you did take another person's life. If this father had been the kind of person that his daughter's molester was, maybe he could kill someone without any long-lasting repercussions. But this was a father who loved his daughter. Enough to kill for her. But still someone who obviously respected the sanctity of human life. So now he's got a whole 2nd factor he will need to work thru.
This guy needs the prayers of a whole lot of people. Not our judgment. He did the best he knew to do as a father. That's all any of us can do.

RandyWayne 06-17-2012 05:39 PM

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For those few who think the fathers use of force was excessive......
(And no, a gun was not involved here, but the principle remains the same.)

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...ontrol_001.jpg

Hoovie 06-17-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1168033)
The District Attorney in our area said, this morning, that the case would be termed as self-defense as the 4-year old was not able to defend herself. That gives another person, her father, the legal right to step in and protect her.

None of these law enforcement people are denying the story.

Very well. If they suspect foul play, in lieu of the molesting story, I think they would need evidence and be able to show what the father would gain by committing murder. If they don't have that than leaving it at justifiable homicide sounds right to me. No jury would convict on the released evidence - and I am sure they have somethings not released.

Ferd 06-18-2012 08:30 AM

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Im with Mr. PO on this. In fact, if I had been the law enforment officer involved, i would have arrested the guy, not read him his rights, left him in a room with no water/food while being yelled out for 30+ hours all while making sure to tell him I wasnt going to allow him a stinking lawyer or a phone call!

That ought to make sure no one could procecute the guy...

Margies3 06-18-2012 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1167752)
My husband was furious when he heard the story and was glad the man was killed. My husband would also have showed no mercy. At least that is one molested child who won't grow up believing it was their fault.

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1168722)
Im with Mr. PO on this. In fact, if I had been the law enforment officer involved, i would have arrested the guy, not read him his rights, left him in a room with no water/food while being yelled out for 30+ hours all while making sure to tell him I wasnt going to allow him a stinking lawyer or a phone call!

That ought to make sure no one could procecute the guy...

Ferd, I had to go back to re-read what Mr. PO had said on this. This is all I found. It doesn't look to me like he wanted to persecute and/or prosecute the father. Did you read something I didn't??

Ferd 06-18-2012 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Margies3 (Post 1168738)
Ferd, I had to go back to re-read what Mr. PO had said on this. This is all I found. It doesn't look to me like he wanted to persecute and/or prosecute the father. Did you read something I didn't??

you read me wrong. Mr. PO was glad the man was killed. I agree...

here is what i was trying to say:

when a person is arrested, if the arresting officers dont follow certian rules (meranda, giving access to lawyer etc) the case gets tossed out on technicalities.

So, if I were law enforcement, I would take the dad, and break all those rules, to make it impossible to charge the guy at all.... just say'in...

Pressing-On 06-18-2012 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1168722)
Im with Mr. PO on this. In fact, if I had been the law enforment officer involved, i would have arrested the guy, not read him his rights, left him in a room with no water/food while being yelled out for 30+ hours all while making sure to tell him I wasnt going to allow him a stinking lawyer or a phone call!

That ought to make sure no one could procecute the guy...

:thumbsup

Ferd,
My husband was teaching yesterday and brought up this subject. He also brought up Sandusky, saying that he probably has a mean streak, but every day he would drag Sandusky out, break a few bones, lock him up and start over the next day.. :heeheehee

He did also bring up the mercy and grace of God, and how He has forgiven all of us of something at one time or another. so, even with a mean streak, he knows that he would want to show mercy, just like God shows mercy.

Pressing-On 06-18-2012 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1168674)
Very well. If they suspect foul play, in lieu of the molesting story, I think they would need evidence and be able to show what the father would gain by committing murder. If they don't have that than leaving it at justifiable homicide sounds right to me. No jury would convict on the released evidence - and I am sure they have somethings not released.

They spoke with confidence that they had evidence. That's what it looked like to me. And those men in Stetsons don't mess around. ;)

What the father gained by committing murder? - one less illegal in Texas. Works for me. Now, I have a mean streak too, it seems. :heeheehee


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