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BrotherEastman 11-28-2014 01:10 PM
Re: Does Jesus have a child?
 
Ah yes, the antagonists arrive.

thephnxman 11-28-2014 01:32 PM
Re: Does Jesus have a child?
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1344749)
The whole problem i see with all these questions is that people are throwing what is a dilemma to human beings due to our limited faculties, but is not a limitation for God who is GOD. God is not limited to the status of a creature that can only do certain things and no more.

It always amazes me how this is such an overlooked issue.

To us, being our own child is impossible! It can only be an imagined situation from an unhealthy mind that cannot reason properly. And in reality it is not real at all. And that's why people give all these answers that God is schizoid if oneness is true. lol

Our human personhood does not have the ability to manifest in a genuine manner as a human being as though it was a SON to us.... we become our own son. But God is not restricted like that. God is not a human being. lol. FOR THE TENTH TIME God is not a human being with restrictions. He manifested as a human being but his starting point was GOD, unlike us who cannot manifest as another human because we can only but start to do anything from the beginning of being human, and that simply disallows for us to do what God can do.

So, God, who can do what we cannot in untold millions of areas, manifested Himself as the SON OF GOD. From THAT perspective of HIS PERSON, the person of His son being one with that of God, HE IS HIS OWN SON. But from the perspective of his existence as God and the manifestation of His person as a human being, God is not a human being as per GODHOOD any more than the humanity of the Son of God is deity. Humanity is not deity. It never was nor ever can be. Humanity and Godhood are forever distinct. So, in regards to His human manifestation contrasted from His Deity, He is not His own Son. But from the perspective of the common person in GOD (who can do far more than we can), and SON OF GOD, He IS His own Son.

It's like saying that if I can turn myself into a table and a chair at the same time, the table is not the chair, but in the sense that I turned myself into both of those things, and the subject is ME, then the table is the chair.
Good try!

shazeep 11-28-2014 04:43 PM
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:lol it's like discussing angels dancing, imo...
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1345314)
Oh yes, that makes perfect sense. Lol
hmm. i think it does, when you consider that God judges one's heart. One is plainly revealed in their choices, and ways of looking at things, but they are only able to observe other's reasoning for their choices--their own is much more opaque to them, at least until they find the observer in themselves.

mfblume 11-28-2014 05:47 PM
Re: Does Jesus have a child?
 
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 1345316)
Ah yes, the antagonists arrive.
Don't they always?

BrotherEastman 11-28-2014 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1345329)
Don't they always?
I guess they do, lol

shazeep 11-29-2014 07:04 AM
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:lol well the higher truth will always prevail--when forwarded in life situations, anyway. This being a forum, you kind of invite different povs, so...behold, MB's heart! :D

shazeep 11-29-2014 07:30 AM
Re: Does Jesus have a child?
 
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Originally Posted by MarcBee (Post 1345298)
And when the Muslim population overtakes the worldwide Christian population (and it will, given birth rates) I guess that means (at least to someone in this thread) that the Koran is then vindicated as true or valid, thanks to long-term popularity.

:icecream
ok and since this was for me, i'll say that we, humans, spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to serve God on our terms; and this would be called "religion." But there is only one way to serve God, as the Bible--and the Qur'an--plainly state; follow Christ or be lost.

We think of Christianity in terms of our local church, or this forum, etc, but to the rest of the world, it is represented by our leaders--whose actions are largely hidden from us--or (poorly) justified away when some news does leak out to us--and I think (radical) Islam arises due to our (leaders') sin.

You can nit-pick it, but the Qur'an really has little to disagree with in it, imo, aside from the cultural differences. The main theme is still that evildoers are punished by God, and everyone's heart will be judged. So, while i have no great love for the form or anything, i think the Qur'an will persist because it divides hearts, similar to Scripture. I think Islam is being warped by satan--just like he warped Christianity--and used against us, which would not be possible if Christianity was in order. We can blindly rail against it all we like, but the truth is that actions bring consequences, and if it wasn't radical Islam it would be something else.

MarcBee 11-29-2014 12:43 PM
Re: Does Jesus have a child?
 
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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1345363)

...But there is only one way to serve God, as the Bible--and the Qur'an--plainly state; follow Christ or be lost..
Fascinating--you got any Koo-ron for that? And do know any "real" Muslims who claim the same interpretation?

:icecream

shazeep 11-29-2014 02:16 PM
Re: Does Jesus have a child?
 
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Originally Posted by MarcBee (Post 1345381)
Fascinating--you got any Koo-ron for that? And do know any "real" Muslims who claim the same interpretation?

:icecream
It is first stated in the second Sir'ah, I believe; and other places. And i would have to say that you probably could not meet a practicing Muslim who would not accept this principle if you tried--radical Islam notwithstanding. Categorically, of course :lol

Now, you might likely convert (sway might be a better word) a practicing Muslim into a radical one, if you were to approach them...in a superior fashion; but then that would be as likely, so to speak, as punching the buttons of some stranger in America. You only have to look within yourself; if some guy in a turban walks up to you and says "Americans suck" or whatever, your reaction is not likely to be yadayadayada like that. While i have got into--or rather out of--some heated discussions, i have yet to part from any spiritual discussion with Muslims on poor terms. Then there are of course the occasional bad seeds; which make the news.

Esaias 11-29-2014 06:26 PM
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The more I read or hear the arguments of atheists, the more I am amazed they can even get out of bed and tie their shoes every morning.

Utterly dumfounding. Where are the atheists who can actually put two propositions together to make a basic syllogism? Was Nietzsche the last? Lol


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