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shazeep 11-13-2015 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1404237)
The conspiracy theory cop-out.

:lol please

shazeep 11-13-2015 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1404232)
I've done nothing to any Muslim but good.

then trust me db that is all you will ever get from a Muslim. People who do violence are not good Muslims. Your "Christians" at the top are no better--they are the just meanest dogs

KeptByTheWord 11-13-2015 08:20 PM

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Shaz... there are certainly people behind the scenes controlling what is happening in our world today, of that probably no one will disagree with. There is a concept called "useful idiot" which comes into play here. The radical Muslims are the useful "idiots" - if you will - (a term coined by the Communist writer Vladimir Lenin, and used by Stalin too) in which they are being used by those behind the scenes to bring about a great evil in this world.

Certainly, the Islamic ideology perpetuates killing, as we have seen through the centuries. But someone is using these "useful idiots" to perpetuate the hate and mass killing, to bring fear and trembling upon the nations, wherever they go, and these "useful idiots" are being used to bring about something far worse, of which we may not be able to see yet.

Bottom line... the Islamic teachings DO encourage this kind of useful idiotness (mass killing for a greater cause), something that those of the genuine Christian faith most certainly DO NOT. That is the big difference.

shazeep 11-13-2015 08:31 PM

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i'm sorry, but any Islamic teachings that advocate violence are not following Islam, page 1. Plus, it is us that is drone bombing them. so consider. who is really your enemy

n david 11-13-2015 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1404280)
i'm sorry, but any Islamic teachings that advocate violence are not following Islam, page 1. Plus, it is us that is drone bombing them. so consider. who is really your enemy

No source or evidence to back up your claim of Christian terrorists?

Didn't think so.

FlamingZword 11-13-2015 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1404280)
i'm sorry, but any Islamic teachings that advocate violence are not following Islam, page 1. Plus, it is us that is drone bombing them. so consider. who is really your enemy

The United States goes to great length to only drone bomb terrorists.

Islamic terrorists go to great length to kill innocent non-combatants. :foottap

Evang.Benincasa 11-13-2015 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pliny (Post 1404175)
You want to make it personal and say it is about Muslims. It is not. It is about Islam.

That's like saying it's not about Pentecostals. It is about Christianity.

Muslim means submitter, and Islam is the way of submission.
Usually to be a Muslim, you need to be in a religion called Islam.
I mean, help me out here, because I haven't a clue as to what you are trying to say in the above quote. :)

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Originally Posted by Pliny (Post 1404175)
Statistical methods applied to the Islamic texts showed that:

* Islam is far more of a political system than a religion.
* There is no unmitigated good in Islam for the Kafir (non-Muslim).
* Islam’s ethical system is dualistic and is not based on the Golden Rule.
* Islamic doctrine cannot be reconciled with our concepts of human rights and our Constitution.
* The great majority, 96%, of all Islamic doctrine about women subjugates them.
* The Sunna (what Mohammed did and said) is more important than the Koran in a Muslim’s daily life.
http://www.politicalislam.com/author/

Instead of the sunnah, did they mean the Hadiths? Whatever, and the Talmud is more important than the Torah in a Rabbinical Jew's daily life. Or the Watchtower Bible society is more important to a JW then the Bible, or the BOM, D&C, is more important to a LDS then the Bible in their daily life.

Yet, my original question seems to always go unanswered?

WHAT IS THE FINAL SOLUTION????

deacon blues 11-13-2015 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1404285)
No source or evidence to back up your claim of Christian terrorists?

Didn't think so.

Ignoring the obvious, some continually insist there is an equivalency.

Evang.Benincasa 11-13-2015 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1404236)
Where? Where are the Christian terrorists? Name one significant group that's training people and carrying out coordinated and premeditated attacks.

The KKK?

Pliny 11-13-2015 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1404196)
look there are radical voices in any movement. finding them and quoting them is just falling for the bait. This rush to label anyone shouting Allahu Akbar a Muslim, conflating them with billions of practicing Muslims, is simply slander. Do not imagine on any planet that you can do other than consider a Muslim your neighbor and still live. Don't be guilty of spreading death

You quoted me specifically saying this is not about Muslims. It is about Islam. The you turn around and make it personal again. You obviously have NO reading comprehension skills.

Once AGAIN this is not about individuals but an ideology called Islam.

What does Islam teach?
Its holy writings are based upon the Koran and Hadiths. Bukhari is one of the most famous and best Hadith collectors.

He testified that Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was 9 years old. This came from Aisha herself. (Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18).

The Koran speaks of Islamic wives in this way:
Surah 65:4 If you have any doubt concerning those of your wives who have ceased menstruating, then you should know that their waiting period will be three months, and the same will apply to those who have no menstruation due to young age or a disease. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period will end with delivery. Allah will ease the hardship of those who fear Him.

Thus prepubescent marriage is sanctified by Allah and his messenger.

Due to this child brides are common in Islam.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...2c4_story.html

You can google this for yourself.



Other aspects of ISLAM:
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities - Voltaire

How important is Jihad? Well let's see what the holy books say.
Surah 4:88-89
[88] What is the matter with you, why are you divided into two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has cast them off on account of their misdeeds? Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has confounded? Whomever Allah has confounded you cannot find a way for them to be guided.
[89] Their real wish is to see that you become a disbeliever, as they themselves have disbelieved, so that you may become exactly like them. So you should not take friends from their ranks unless they immigrate in the way of Allah; and if they do not, seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and do not take any of them as protectors or helpers.

Surah 61:4
Indeed Allah loves those who fight for His Cause in battle array as if they were a solid wall.

Surah 9:38-39
[38] O believers! What is the matter with you that when you are asked to march forth in the way of Allah, you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the life of the hereafter? If it is so, then you should know that the comforts of this life are little compared to the life of the hereafter.
[39] If you do not march forth, He will inflict on you a painful punishment and replace you with other people, and you cannot harm Him at all, for Allah has power over everything.

Sahih Muslim, another celebrated Hadith collector, testified:
Bk 1, Number 0148:
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah was asked about the best of deeds. He observed: Belief in Allah. He (the inquirer) said: What next? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Jihad (struggle to the utmost) in the cause of Allah. He (the inquirer) again said: What next? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Pilgrimage accepted into the grace of the Lord. In the. tradition narrated on the authority of Muhammad b. Ja'far (the words are) that he (the Holy Prophet) said: Belief in Allah and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Rafi and 'Abd b. Humaid, 'Abdur−Razzaq and Ma'mar and Zuhri have narrated a hadith like this on the authority of the same chain of transmitters.


Sahih Muslim
Bk 20, Number 4696:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihid died the death of a hypocrite. 'Abdullah b. Mubarak said: We think the hadith pertained to the time of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him).


What example did Muhammad leave behind?
Volume..5,..Book..58,..Number..148:
Narrated..Abu..Said..Al..Khudri:
Some people (i.e. the Jews of Bani bin Quraiza) agreed to accept the verdict of Sad bin Quadh so the Prophet sent for him (i.e. Sad bin Muadh). He came riding a donkey, and hen he approached the Mosque, the Prophet said, "Get up for the best amongst you." or said, "Get up for your chief." Then the Prophet said, "O Sad! These people have agreed to accept your verdict." Sad said, "I judge that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as captives." The Prophet said, "You have given a judgment similar to Allah's Judgment (or the King's judgment)."


So MUCH more could be said about Islam.


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