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Ev. Duane Williams 01-31-2011 07:43 PM

Re: LS to Teach Light Doctrine @ Landmark 2011????
 
What is being called the "Light Doctrine" has some very firm roots in Scripture. If we are "Kings and Priests" in the Kingdom of God, then over whom do we rule(King), or for whom do we make intercession to God(Priest)?

Are those who live their entire lives and die without ever hearing the Acts 2:38 message just destined for damnation? Isn't this Calvinism, Apostolic style? Just askin'.

johnny44 01-31-2011 09:05 PM

Re: LS to Teach Light Doctrine @ Landmark 2011????
 
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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1021280)
Can you explain this?
I just read a book about Smith Wigglesworth and he believed that all Christians should receive the Holy Spirit by speaking in tongues.
The book was "The Secret of his power", by Albert Hibbert, I believe.

Read "Wigglesworth on the annointing" page 72.Don"t have the book with me now.

aegsm76 01-31-2011 10:03 PM

Re: LS to Teach Light Doctrine @ Landmark 2011????
 
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Originally Posted by johnny44 (Post 1021374)
Read "Wigglesworth on the annointing" page 72.Don"t have the book with me now.

Here is what he says on p. 110:
"When I was in Sunderland in 1907, I knelt before God and had an Acts 2:4 experience: I received the Holy Spirit and spoke with new tongues as did that company on the day of Pentecost. That put my experience outside the range of argument, but inside the record of God's Word. God gave me the Holy Spirit as He did to them at the beginning. I want harmony, unity, and oneness, but I want them God's way. In the Acts of the Apostles, speaking with new tongues was the sign of the infilling and outflowing of the Holy Spirit. I do not believe that God has changed His methods."

This seems pretty clear to me where he stood, at least on the Holy Ghost.

johnny44 01-31-2011 10:17 PM

Re: LS to Teach Light Doctrine @ Landmark 2011????
 
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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1021442)
Here is what he says on p. 110:
"When I was in Sunderland in 1907, I knelt before God and had an Acts 2:4 experience: I received the Holy Spirit and spoke with new tongues as did that company on the day of Pentecost. That put my experience outside the range of argument, but inside the record of God's Word. God gave me the Holy Spirit as He did to them at the beginning. I want harmony, unity, and oneness, but I want them God's way. In the Acts of the Apostles, speaking with new tongues was the sign of the infilling and outflowing of the Holy Spirit. I do not believe that God has changed His methods."

This seems pretty clear to me where he stood, at least on the Holy Ghost.

Sorry I was refering to baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.

Praxeas 02-01-2011 09:34 PM

Re: LS to Teach Light Doctrine @ Landmark 2011????
 
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Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams (Post 1021320)
What is being called the "Light Doctrine" has some very firm roots in Scripture. If we are "Kings and Priests" in the Kingdom of God, then over whom do we rule(King), or for whom do we make intercession to God(Priest)?

Are those who live their entire lives and die without ever hearing the Acts 2:38 message just destined for damnation? Isn't this Calvinism, Apostolic style? Just askin'.

Those that are left behind after the Judgment?

Praxeas 02-01-2011 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1021058)
Yeah, but he was the "healing guru." I've heard many UC's praise Wigglesworth over the years.

I think I heard TW Barnes mention him in the context of powerful prayers

Praxeas 02-01-2011 09:39 PM

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Where does the bible give a get out of jail free card to "Ministers". My bible says we are all a kingdom of priests...if that is the case then we are all Ministers not just the man that stands behind the pulpit.

And you think if Paul were here and he heard someone preaching false doctrine he would not call them on it?

It's important to have the right attitude here, not attacking someone for the sake of attacking someone but focus on their message and what's wrong or right with it

It's also important for the messenger to be humble and listen

Trouvere 02-02-2011 10:28 AM

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Just a thought.......didn't Jesus come to the Jew's first?
What is this two church theology.....Jewish Church.....Gentile Church?

Socialite 02-02-2011 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Trouvere (Post 1022171)
Just a thought.......didn't Jesus come to the Jew's first?
What is this two church theology.....Jewish Church.....Gentile Church?

Huh?

Yeah, certain preachers in Stockton definitely believe in a "two church theology." They don't see the Bible as a single story, culminating in Christ and the Church. Instead, their dispensationalist errors see separate covenants and stories.

Sam 02-02-2011 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII (Post 1019745)
...In this portion he teaches the Apostle John did not die but was raptured from the island of Patmos and will be one of the two witnesses during the Tribulation ... listen to 5 minute mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBpym...eature=related

From what I remember of my one year at ABI hearing Bro. Norris, LS didn't get that (John raptured and becoming one of the two witnesses) from Bro. Norris.

1ofthechosen 07-04-2018 08:55 AM

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??

Amanah 07-04-2018 12:29 PM

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don't make me read this whole thread, someone please tell me if he does teach light doctrine.

n david 07-12-2018 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII (Post 1019749)
LS teaching SG Norris' light doctrine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0wY6...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isysZ...eature=related

http://serve.mysmiley.net/confused/confused0054.gif

Wicked go to hell
Righteous, who walked in the light they knew, inherit the earth.
The Holy go to heaven.

Pass me some Q-tips. Did he just make allowance to those who did not obey Acts 2:38 ... even a Trinnie granted eternal life?

:bump

n david 07-12-2018 05:02 PM

Re: LS to Teach Light Doctrine @ Landmark 2011????
 
Sent a request to UPCI HQ asking for the UPCI position on the Light Doctrine.

Here is the response:

"""The UPCI has not taken an official position on that doctrine, but our manual does state that "the basic and fundamental doctrine of this organization shall be the Bible standard of full salvation, which is repentance, baptism in water by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance." Generally speaking, the large majority of UPCI ministers would not believe and teach the "light doctrine."

The UPCI certainly believes that all Christians should follow the pattern of the New Testament church and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and receive the Holy Spirit with the initial sign of speaking in tongues. However, God is the ultimate judge who will determine matters of eternal destiny. We are not called to judge whether individuals are destined for Heaven or Hell, but rather to obey the gospel by grace through faith and encourage others to do the same."""

n david 07-12-2018 05:03 PM

Re: LS to Teach Light Doctrine @ Landmark 2011????
 
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Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1539049)
don't make me read this whole thread, someone please tell me if he does teach light doctrine.

It appears, at least in the videos above, he did teach a version of the Light Doctrine.

Amanah 07-12-2018 07:39 PM

Re: LS to Teach Light Doctrine @ Landmark 2011????
 
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1540468)
It appears, at least in the videos above, he did teach a version of the Light Doctrine.

interesting, thank you.

I don't know much about the UPCI other than my local church, I had no idea.


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