He's gone folks....he's outta here...he couldn't take the pressure of a simple question:

How many people are in your church?

Should be easy enough to answer......

Oh but its hard to answer....why??????????????????????

I betcha there's a bunch of people in that church watching TV....and he has gone on record as saying they are not UC.....LOL!!!!!!!

That's fine UC - everyone else will see this and I can get the perm ban for all I care - but you lied. You were called on it and you choose to ignore it.

Most of the UC agenda is driven by lies. They lie about our forefathers. They lie about our current leaders they lie about our young people. When you try and pin them down on their lies they all just shrivel up and crawl away like a bunch of cockroaches when you turn on the light.

How long is the ban? Tell me up front. I can take it. But leave this post up so everyone can see why I was banned and learn from my example. I'm calling the "UltraConservatives" liars and I say the so-called "Conservative" movement within the UPC is driven by the lies they tell.

Holy smoke!!!!!

This maybe my last post T1 - but they lied to the entire General Conference in 1992. And UC continues that shameful tradition today.

We have to stand up to these liars. UC lied- I just called 3 different young people who were at NAYC and then I called my wife who was also there. No fog machines. None anywhere in sight.

To try and slam our leaders, people like UC can come onto these boards and lie - and they get away with it every time. We have to stand up to them to save the Oneness message. These people are going to destroy this Gospel unless we stand up to them.

I've dealt with those people in the past...used to do music at some of their conferences and camps. Trust me, they wear their "HOLINESS" like a banner. Don't get me wrong, I believe in holiness, too. But with them everything is sinful, anything modern is worldly, the UPC is just not holy enough for them, etc. Life is miserable, but they've lived this way for so long they don't notice it. Nothing is funny, laughter is "jesting", and the list goes on. I'm sure Atlanta Bishop remembers those days....I've been in the same conferences and camps with him.

As my dad used to say about them: Long hair, long sleeves, long dresses...long faces.

And you honestly believe that all of those people (whatever the # actually is) don't have a TV? I hate to tell you this, but I've been around a long, long time. And I've seen TV's hidden in some very clever places in order to fool the pastor. I hope you are not in for a very hard fall one day when you find out some folks have let you down.

I totally get where you are coming from...but this place is not an effective field for revolution.

I have preached for them! I have done their camps. I can't disagree with your post.

You saying so means nothing, no offense. I just don't care for people who speak for their pastor in a public setting, especially when the statements made go against the standard belief.

My point exactly...if there are more than 30 people in that church then there are people who are watching some TV....and he said, "They are not UC!!!" I betcha if it only runs 20 there are some who occasionally watch tv

Now......how many people go to your church UC?

Several of these gents need a haircut. What a shame!

Being the math whiz that I am, according to your numbers above, you must have well over, what, 300?

But honestly, the numbers above also mean nothing. Hundreds are baptized all the time in our churches. Thousands visit. It's how many stay that really counts.

I'm wondering why you just don't answer the question. I mean, for instance, how many did you have in Sunday School on the 23rd?

I like how you asked him the same thing I just did.....LOL!!!

What would you suggest? We need people to stand up to these guys. What if someone had stood up during that 1992 business meeting and challenged the veracity of the claims being made by just 2 men.

Two men deceived the entire movement. I walked into that meeting with my pastor and we both were going to vote against that resolution. When it came time to vote- we both had changed and ended up voting FOR the resolution- because we were both deceived.

What will happen to the future of the UPC youth department of no one has the courage to stand up to the lies of the UC movement today? Lies like those being told here by UltraConservative will will again determine OUR future.

Is the future of the UPC always going to be determined by the bullies and the liars? Where are the men of courage? Stand up to these guys. I had to bury a youth president because of lies - B.K. are you listening? You helped us bury him in the cold hard dirt ten years ago. He's dead because a "conservative" lied. How many more Youth Presidents will we bury?

Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.

I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?

Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.

The 'fog', to those who believe God was there, was His presence.

The 'fog', to those who don't believe God was there, was theatrics to replace the anointing.

Wow! What's up with dat?

I was decieved in 1992 as well. I voted for the resolution too....

At that time I was deep within the bowels of the California UC group preaching many revivals for them...

The problem is there is no winning here...you can say all kind of stuff about Jakes and the like but you cannot question the UCs...it's just how this game is played...

Matt, that's a girl on the far left.



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Stop it!

The remarkable thing about that is that the rumor was ON ME!!!!

And they still kept going even though I said never did it!!!!!

I'd like to know too.

And she needs a haircut......:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme

Simply amazing!
He runs......
Classic!

The thing that burns me up is the con churches running 30 or 40 people and they get a vote!
THEY hold the whole org hostage!

They need to just all get together and buy some vacant land and start their own thing...I hear there is a vacant lot in Waco, Texas....

You'd better back up this claim there, Bro...

It's a matter of record in "officialdom." Ask around - look at the UPC preachers who were killed ten years ago - and those who would be bounced out for adultery 13 weeks later. And that pretty much blows my anonymity for those in "officialdom."

What does this mean???

They can't.....they all want to be the one in charge. :couch

Speak clearly, bro. You made a terrible accusation. Please back it up...

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One gent? And he's got his hand up, pushing his coat collar up his neckline so it's hard to tell if he really "needs a haircut."

Again, exaggerations made to "shame" those who are doing something up front. My wife - quite the conservative herself, says that that was the best band she's ever heard.

Just in case you missed it...

Get off it GL.....

Take your little threats elsewhere!

Im sure he got it the first time.

Where Did Uc Go????????

Actually, I was just doing a play on words. Man - long hair- shame.... get it??


But since you want to make an issue of it... the boy with his hand raise has hair that is way past his collar. I guess he is just being like Jesus though. and the one with the green guitar is in need of a barber also. But carry on. You da man!! You da man!!

He had to take off his shoes to count how many at church last sunday!:killinme:killinme:hypercoffee:hypercoffee

Maybe he's watching the new episode of "The Biggest Loser" right now....kindof fitting....LOL...:killinme

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Not trying to pick a fight with you StMatt - at least not a real fight with you. Just trying to see what you mean- and that I kind of agree about the guy with the hand up- but as I said his collar is being pushed up. He may have been "borderline" at one point but then "over the line" when he puts his hands up.

The other guy, (green guitar) I disagree- if that's a sideburn then maybe we quibble about that. The only thing wrong there that I see is that he's got a green guitar - that is like so 1980's.

Love you bro. But by doing those breathing exercises into the paper bag I am calming down. I have to get back to GL- I was using Firefox but then started to get a bunch of PMs and had to switch browser. Not ignoring you GL...