Re: How do you view Dan A?
 

Sorry for the interruption. You children carry on. (BTW I prophesy if/when you meet in person you will become great friends.)

Re: How do you view Dan A?
 

This is very interesting to me. Something I had not given much thought to before I saw some different comments. But Sam the way YOU have rendered the verse and what it ACTUALLY says are two different things. It does NOT say here anything about the need to believe that Jesus is Gods son, that he died was buried and rose again all it says here is

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God; and everyone that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him."

It says NOTHING about sonship, death burial ressurrection. It says what it says and nothing more. Now if you are of the same mind that I am you realize that one must take a holistic view of the scriptures, COMBINING them to get their full intent rather than isolating them one from another to build a conclusion of a truth or doctrine. Which is why as you CONTINUE in that same passage you come right back to what we always come right back to in salvations requirement WATER SPIRIT AND BLOOD. The testimony of God.

Simply put believing Jesus is the annointed of God is NOT all there is too it, as YOU yourself point out in your additions to what you wish the verse said (but doesn't)

Muslims DO believe that he is the Messiah (Christ) So do Jehovahs witnesses and a multitude of OTHER non "Christian" groups.

I guess what is interesting to me is that once you begin to follow a certain line of reasoning it becomes immediately clear as to its gross inconsistency.

I asked this because ***I*** have neighbours who are Jehovahs witnesses, that demonstrate a great deal of godliness at least in their behaviour with me.
Is THAT an alternative to embracing the Gospel?

Then you say that if people believe on the death burial and ressurrection of Jesus Christ they may be a brother, Jehovahs witnesses believe that . And they DO believe that Jesus is the son of God, they give a different meaning to that than Oneness people do, but so do Trinitarians and you give them a pass. Does this not put us right back into the same thinking that seems to be openly marginalized and even mocked by some on the forum that it ***IS*** what you believe about Jesus that determines your eternal standing with God?


I hope everyone is saved in the end. I wish that Carlton Pearson was right that eveyone is saved ...they just dont know it yet. But the truth is, Except a man be born again...........

Re: How do you view Dan A?
 

1. You sir are the one who fails to put this passage into context ...

Some faulty assumptions you have made in your attempt to discredit Sam's fair assessment of verse 1.

a. The writer not only speaks of Him being the Christ but that we are to believe in God's testimony of His son....

2. Seemingly,you have zero understanding of biblical belief ... and what was meant by Apostles when they used that word ....

Belief here is not mental assent or recognition ..... it is in total trust, reliance .. It comes from the hebraic understanding of "clinging".

It's this fundamental breakdown in 3 step theology and mindset that renders to use silly terms like "easy-believism".

This is furthest from the truth ...


3. You also said .... It says NOTHING about sonship, death burial ressurrection. It says what it says and nothing more. Now if you are of the same mind that I am you realize that one must take a holistic view of the scriptures, COMBINING them to get their full intent rather than isolating them one from another to build a conclusion of a truth or doctrine. Which is why as you CONTINUE in that same passage you come right back to what we always come right back to in salvations requirement WATER SPIRIT AND BLOOD. The testimony of God.

Are you funny, today? You accuse Sam of being fuzzy and creative w/ a passage. Nothing more and nothing less.

This passage does not speak of a believer's 3 step response to salvation ... it does however speak of WHO SAVES US.

Verse 6 is the key, TCSQ ... that you seem to gloss over ...
Further it is the Spirit that testifies that He came through water and blood .... more importantly .... the writer CLEARLY STATES that we have this testimony of His coming as the Christ and His Spirit in our our hearts WHEN WE BELIEVE HE IS THE SON OF GOD (v.10)....

7For there are three that testify: 8the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart.

In conclusion, Sam's exegesis is sound based on the full context of John's writing ... and once again, TCSQ, your paradigm skews your ability to break down scripture for what it says.

The testimony is not our response, sir ... no where does this passage say that .... the testimony is Him (v.6).
Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart (v.10)

Verse 11 summarizes it all saying: I understand the CONFUSION, however ...

when some of you as much as see a PUDDLE in God's Word you think it refers to how you save yourself through a properly administered baptism ...

Water has many meanings in the Word, my brother. Keep that in mind, please, for future reference.

1 John tells us ho we are born again ... and what is the testimony of being born of God .... BIBLICAL BELIEF in His Son. No 2 ways about it.

Lastly, putting Sam in the same breathe w/ CP is laughable and denigrates your credibility.

Thank you and have a great Sunday.

Re: How do you view Dan A?
 

You know Dan, adding your caustic ready to snap at any moment aura of Don Knottsish energy here is NOT a reply worth even reading! I got about ten seconds into this one and saw once again, for all your intellectual input here it is so negatively charged that whatever actual value it might have is completely lost to me.

It seems like in Danvile the eggshells must be AWFULLY thin!

The only genuine reply here would not be edifying. Your desire to sow strife where there was none is as per usual just DAN BEING DAN!

Re: How do you view Dan A?
 

He is the portrayal of the psychopathology of a split personality. In person, he is a gracious, humble man of God. On AFF he comes across as a churlish, insolent bully of a man.

Truthfully, I view Dan as a man with a brilliant mind, a heart for God and others and an acute case of ADHD. :whistle

Re: How do you view Dan A?
 

If he could keep the humility and graciousness on AFF, he could go much further with his agenda. Half the time I tune him out especially when he turns up the causticness and starts throwing out disrespectful insults.

Re: How do you view Dan A?
 

Dan is certainly a unique individual. The contrast between his forum personality and the "real" Dan is astonishing; however, there might be some noticeable changes in the argumentative AFF Dan in the coming year.

I have a feeling that when Cass comes to Houston, he will have better things to occupy his time than starting thread after thread on AFF hoping to change three-steppers' theological leanings. :whistle

Re: How do you view Dan A?
 

Dan is anything but boring or intimidating. LOL!

Re: How do you view Dan A?
 

CB1...correct analysis.

Many people with ADHD are genius level IQ but the impulsivity takes away credibility on this forum. Many of his posts are brilliant indeed. I wish I had half his intelligence.

Blessings, Rhoni

Re: How do you view Dan A?
 

Did you say acute? :ursofunny

Thanx for the plug .... :friend