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I gotta say, 3 years ago I was pulling for Phil... Same this year. things worked out well for Phil and me!

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You have your opinion and I have mine. I could care less about Tiger's wealth. The only problem is that he is a public, world-wide known figure. He had the respect of the world for his life and accomplishments. Then we found out that it was a sham. Many people feel like they were scammed. Like King David, he trashed his reputation with his choices and became a laughing stock. Totally his fault.

As I stated, only TIME can change anything of significance. Talk is cheap, and I don't care how many times he has said he's sorry. We'll see what happens over time whether he really means it or not. I sincerely hope that he does and will applaud when it happens. Until then, he's just another (fallen) celebrity. Really sad! :D

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Yes, you have your opinion, and I am right! We agree!:lol

So, I wanna take a closer look at what you've said:

"I could care less about Tiger's wealth"...If you truly couldn't care less about Tiger's wealth, you sure do mention it a lot. I don't really think much about his money. Money has never really meant much to me, so how little I have or how much he has doesn't register with me. So when I see his career totals or pictures of his house, I'm emotionless. As far as I'm concerned, he's earned it.

"Then we found out it was a sham." No...his accomplishments are not a sham. They're real. He is still, at his age, the most decorated golfer in history. And neither is his life a sham. He's a real person with real issues. It ends up that he's a real person that has real failures. Why is it that when someone who is perceived to be perfect, turns out not to be perfect (duh), the public trashes him? Let me tell you something...I don't have much money, but whatever assets to do have, I'd bet it all that at least 50 other married players have "Tour Life" stories that are close to equal, if not exceeding, Tiger's story. Sherrie Daly, John Daly's fourth wife, said in the Tiger aftermath, that every week on the PGA Tour is just like Tiger's activities. In fact, she said the inside joke among the players is that "PGA Tour" stands for "Party Groupies Association." None of that justifies Tiger, but it does let us know he's a real person.

There is a severe problem in the underworld of professional athletics. Tom Tolbert, former NBA player who how hosts a daily show on KNBR and also works in network TV, says that at least 95%...TO HIS KNOWLEDGE...of married professional athletes, have girlfriends on the road.

What has happened with Tiger has presented us all with the opportunity to take a closer look at all our heros, and appreciate them for what they accomplish and stop this silly "Role Model" mentality. The real role models for our children need to be their parents and/or teachers and/or whoever is a positive influence in their lives...and even then, will have to realize that we're all prone to fail. Above all, I want to be a role model of grace to my children. I want them to know if they ever screw it up big time, that I'm going to love and accept them unconditionally.

"Many people feel like they were scammed". And such a mentality is a mystery to me. I don't feel that way. He's a great golfer, has positively influenced many young golfers to work hard at their games, to excel, learn, and achieve. My son is playing college golf because of Tiger's inspiration and influence. No one has been scammed.

"...and became a laughing stock." Unfortunately, many Christians are laughing. How sad that we could laugh. How could we do anything but hurt? Our world is filled with broken people. Tiger has been broken. How could any of us laugh?

"Totally his fault". Yes, Tiger has said that repeatedly.

"As I stated, only TIME can change anything of significance." Yes, Tiger said the same thing and said that his wife told him that his actions over a period of time would say he's sorry. This is actually a strong Buddhist concept.

"We'll see what happens over time whether he really means it or not." Oh, he means it. I don't think there's any doubt about that. But I think we'll see, over time, if he's able to live up to his commitments. I, for one, believe he will, and if he doesn't, while I'll be disappointed, I'll still love him. I'm certain that's the attitude of Jesus toward him and thankfully, toward all of us when we fail.

"I sincerely hope that he does and will applaud when it happens." Question: When will you applaud? After a year? Two years? A decade? What's your official line of time to re-issue your approval? As for me, I'm already applauding. He's taken some very difficult and humiliating steps and I applaud him for it.

"Until then, he's just another (fallen) celebrity." Here, you almost said it. Yes, he's just another person. Very simply that...he's just another person. Through very difficult circumstances of life, I've had some interaction with Tiger and what struck me the most is, he's just a real person. Nothing unusual about him at all, as a person. He was and is as real as it gets. He's simply a real person who's made some bad choices....just like you and just like me.

"Really sad." Well, I'm really proud of him and joyful for his response to what has happened. He could have easily blown all this off, left his family, focused only on golf, and continued his golf success. He would have maintained his wealth, would have eventually regained lost endorsements, and when he passed Nicklaus, all would have cheered. But he took the road of humility and I think that's, "Really great."

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This is really simple for me......he hasn't, and no one really has....accomplished anything of significance if their family is in disarray. His golf means absolutely nothing to me if he can't keep his pants on outside of his home. Golf is nothing...pastoring is nothing.....numbers are nothing.....family and relationships are everything....beginning with God. I hold myself to the same standard I hold him to. I don't want to have my wall and shelves covered with accolades, plaques and trophies and my family suffer for it or fall apart due to it.

When it is evident that his family is MORE important than golf, then he is on his way to earning my respect. But honestly, he doesn't need my respect. It may take years to prove that. That's his fault and his problem not mine. I feel the same way about ANYONE in leadership.

Let me add, that I am also extremely disappointed in Tiger in the fact that he said that he wouldn't lose his temper any more or use profanity (in touranments.) Well.......he used the "F" word AGAIN in front of everyone. What is his word worth? So far, not a whole lot. Poor form, Tiger...poor form indeed! Once again, time will tell and I trust and pray that "time" tells a story of redemption! :D

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I watched every shot he played in the Masters and I didn't hear him use the "F" word. Are you sure? TMZ even provided video of all his so-called "outbursts" and it didn't include that one. If he did, it really doesn't bother me. I've said a few things playing golf, and putting mics on these guys expecting pro athletes to only speak sweet things is a dream world. As far as I'm concerned, Tiger did what he said he was going to do, which was , tone it down. He did. He never said his language was going to be perfect.

I am bothered when he says, "Jesus" in anger. That hurts. But there are posters here on AFF that say "Sheesh" which is a euphemism for the same thing, and that doesn't feel much better. Whenever inspecting someone else's closet, it doesn't hurt to check ours out too.

As far as holding yourself to the same standard you hold Tiger to, I think that's impossible. Until you are the best in the world at something, wealthy beyond your wildest dreams, extremely good looking and built like you're chiseled out of stone, AND have the sexiest women throwing themselves at you willing to do anything you want, THEN you can hold yourself to a similar standard. Until then, neither you nor I can EVER compare ourselves and claim that "We wouldn't".

Tiger doesn't need to earn my respect. He already has it.

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You have every right to defend him and I have every right to have absolutely no respect for him whatsoever.

Mitch Albom played it back on the radio bleeping out the "F" bomb. It was disgusting. If all it takes is a bad shot to bring out profanity, no matter who it is, that's really worse than sad.

As far as holding myself to the same standard as Tiger.....hey, so I don't have wealth beyond my wildest dreams.......4 out of 5 ain't bad! :D

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Contrast:

Tiger with a sucky, frustrated attitude, with a wife he dissed not at his side nor anywhere near his heart.

Phil with a humble, graceful, content attitude, with a wife he loves who is battling breast cancer, wishing she was by his side, and definitely in his heart.
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Anyone else care to chime in on the Hollywoodesque contrast at the Masters?

(Note: I'm a Tiger fan, admire his talent - but he was certainly outdone in Augustus on multiple levels)

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I did an internet search for the Tiger F-bomb and I can't find it. I heard him say, "G-d" on the 6th hole on Saturday" and also said, "Tiger, you suck". If Mitch Albom played it and bleeped it, are you sure it wasn't something else that was bleeped?

But either way, I disagree with your assessment that "If all it takes is a bad shot to bring out profanity, no matter who it is, that's really worse than sad." I'm thinking that you're a little too sheltered these days from the real world!:lol My son is treated by some of the greatest surgeons in the world, and profanities are often just a part of their talking. And athletes routinely express their frustration with socially unacceptable words. I think your measuring stick is way too harsh. I'm sure you often use slang, and who's really to judge when it crosses the line?

Personally, I'm not disgusted by the F-word. It's just a word. I don't use it but not because I think it's horrible. I read an interview, recently, with Phil Mickelson who frequently dropped profanities. So we're gonna have to go after him, too.

Actually, here's a clip of Vijay Singh. All I'll say is, it's worse. Actually, I'll PM it to you. But as far as Tiger saying the f-bomb, I think you've got the wrong guy.

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Well.....we don't really what all these guys do when we're not looking, do we? So the best thing is, appreciate the golf and let it go at that. Like I said earlier:

"Sherrie Daly, John Daly's fourth wife, said in the Tiger aftermath, that every week on the PGA Tour is just like Tiger's activities. In fact, she said the inside joke among the players is that "PGA Tour" stands for "Party Groupies Association." None of that justifies Tiger, but it does let us know he's a real person.

There is a severe problem in the underworld of professional athletics. Tom Tolbert, former NBA player who how hosts a daily show on KNBR and also works in network TV, says that at least 95%...TO HIS KNOWLEDGE...of married professional athletes, have girlfriends on the road."

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It's never acceptable to use profanity, I don't care who you are. I guess you run in a different professional crowd than I do. You have every right to think my measuring stick is too harsh...that's your opinion. I've worked in the corporate world and the high class people I've worked with didn't use that kind of language. Sorry Vijay, you don't have my respect either. There is no reason to use it. It does NOT bring respect. I'm not a prude and working in law enforcement as I do, I regularly hear profanity. It still is never acceptable. It is a bad/nasty habit that serves absolutely no good purpose whatsoever.

Tiger is NOT a class act. He used to be or at least he used to play one. One does not even have to be a Christian to be a class act and he is neither.

BTW, I really don't want to hear Vijay's rant and won't be listening to it. I don't use that kind of language whether I work with law enforcement officers or the inmates. It serves no good purpose and I don't respect people who choose to do so. It really is classless even if MANY people do it. :D