Originally Posted by Chan (Post 156844)

"Eternal Son" is an oxymoron! :) I encourage you to read the book (no, I'm not interested in getting you to change your doctrine).

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 156967)

I do not believe the Son is eternal. But I do not beleive trinity either. Sorry.

Originally Posted by sola gratia (Post 157029)

me too.... I'm sorry for you

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 157041)

Well, if that is not the most scholarly and mature response I've read yet... not. ;) Are all trinitarians this deep?

Originally Posted by sola gratia (Post 157071)

Not all of them Bro... only the ones who where oneness first!! Besides I was just playing :killinme

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 157105)

:D oh no... lol

Originally Posted by sola gratia (Post 157123)

BTW - I read the debates you sent - thanks

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder (Post 156393)

Oneness Pentecostals such as Mr Blume claim that God assumes the three roles (or manifestations) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in time from Jesus’ birth. But I would state here that both of these positions are problematic for the Oneness view, because before Jesus’ conception in Mary’s womb, Luke states that; ‘The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,’ (Luke 1:35), indicating that God already existed as the Holy Spirit, before Jesus’ birth and even before his conception; (Mr Blume alludes to this in paraphrase in his post).

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 157386)

Where did Mr Blume claim the HOly Ghost did not already exist?

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 157881)

I missed IB's quote here.

Right, Praxeas! Now I know what you mean by Iron Bladder twisting what we say and misrepresenting us! I NEVER SAID THE HOLY GHOST MANIFESTATION DID NOT EXIST BEFORE THE INCARNATION. Neither do I believe it. The Holy Ghost is a manifestation that existed long before incarnation!

Seems to me that Iron Bladder never really properly understood oneness. So he cannot say he was once oneness.