Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 965715)

Sorry you are having to go through this and I think people are misunderstanding you in this thread, but you know from experience that this could just as easily be one of your daughters we are talking about here.

I'm sure you'd sucker punch the dude that took advantage of your daughter, but you are seeing another side that some aren't.

Hang in there and love those girls and do all you can to help them. I'm so glad that my children are married. However, now I have a granddaughter to worry about. The influence that surrounds them is disgusting.

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 965615)

Generally innocent people don't admit guilt.

Sick.

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 965618)

So, some people are saying the guy didn't admit guilt? Well then, if it's just an accusation, yes, let the process work it's way through. The article said he admitted guilt. If that's the case, the guy is depraved.

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 965622)

Outrageous ... the first few posts on this thread.

As a libertarian, I more than believe that any alleged suspect in a crime is innocent until proven guilty and record shows I'm ALL FOR DUE PROCESS IN THIS CASE or ANY CASE.

But the calls to silence these type of threads is all but SICKENING ....
Same thing happened even when 12 jurors (the defendants own peers) found Pastor Fogarty guilty for slandering Angela Driver ... cat calls for "WHY WE TALKING ABOUT THIS HERE!"

It makes one very cynical and suspicious as to motive...

I could post dozens of court cases we've discussed and "thrashed" where the alleged has all but "admitted" to the crime ...

Remember this guy we've discussed AD NAUSEUM? As it stands ... RIGHT NOW ... OFFICIALLY HE'S INNOCENT.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/images...alik-Hasan.JPG

That said ...

I've combed through articles regarding this Monk case ... Liberal ... and can you tell me the link or inside source you have where Monk told the judge he was essentially set up ... by either his accusers, the local police and/or the district attorney or that somehow the court documents stating his admission to being her "boyfriend" was done under duress.

Really?

1. As it stands, the only charge this 'minister' is facing is sexual battery. Why because apparently, in Ohio, a 16 year old MINOR can consent to sex with a married man ... or any man for that matter.

2. If I read the article correctly, the police were able to file charges only when they could prove he is a man in "authority" or of the cloth. Thus, the sexual battery charge.

It's mind boggling that Aquila would get on here too ... and somehow blame a child for this heinous act of mistrust allegedly perpetrated by a man who is married and who most likely used his authority and trust to prey on a family that was going through a divorce and prey on the weakest among them.

I don't care if the girl was in her birthday suit, spread eagle ... it in no way vindicates what has happened here.

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 965711)

Blaming the victim is pretty popular amongst many conservative groups. If you see the problem, you are the problem.

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 965709)

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 965728)

There it is! :thumbsup

An adult needs to take measures to protect a young person who doesn't have the experience to gauge what they are actually getting themselves involved in, but the above statement is also a HUGE problemo these days!

In many cases young people think that they are on the same level as any adult and are very insulted for anyone to tell them that they are not.

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 965732)

I can tell y'all, whichever way y'all believe about the girl. IT NEVER GOES AWAY.YOU LIVE WITH IT THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. Whether promiscuity or withdrawal from life. In reality a 16 year old doesn't really know how far it will go, she is testing the water, so to speak. Not mature enough emotionally to know. This is not some fumbling around with a teenage boy. The adult knows how it will turn out. The adult's actions are of lust, the girl's out of curiosity or seeking attention.
We do not know all the facts of this case, we know some kids make up stories. Some cops get wrong confessions. Or twist words and lie. I don't know if the pastor is or isn't guilty of anything. Anyway his reputation either way is ruined, as is the girl's. Sin always has consequences.

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 965732)

I can tell y'all, whichever way y'all believe about the girl. IT NEVER GOES AWAY.YOU LIVE WITH IT THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. Whether promiscuity or withdrawal from life. In reality a 16 year old doesn't really know how far it will go, she is testing the water, so to speak. Not mature enough emotionally to know. This is not some fumbling around with a teenage boy. The adult knows how it will turn out. The adult's actions are of lust, the girl's out of curiosity or seeking attention.
We do not know all the facts of this case, we know some kids make up stories. Some cops get wrong confessions. Or twist words and lie. I don't know if the pastor is or isn't guilty of anything. Anyway his reputation either way is ruined, as is the girl's. Sin always has consequences.