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Timmy 06-18-2012 04:12 PM

Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
 
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1168789)
They spoke with confidence that they had evidence. That's what it looked like to me. And those men in Stetsons don't mess around. ;)

What the father gained by committing murder? - one less illegal in Texas. Works for me. Now, I have a mean streak too, it seems. :heeheehee

Who spoke? Evidence of what?

Margies3 06-18-2012 04:16 PM

Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
 
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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1168777)
you read me wrong. Mr. PO was glad the man was killed. I agree...

here is what i was trying to say:

when a person is arrested, if the arresting officers dont follow certian rules (meranda, giving access to lawyer etc) the case gets tossed out on technicalities.

So, if I were law enforcement, I would take the dad, and break all those rules, to make it impossible to charge the guy at all.... just say'in...

Gotcha, Ferd :thumbsup I kind of thought that might have been what you were trying to say but wasn't completely sure. So we are in agreement.

Pressing-On 06-18-2012 04:47 PM

Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1168819)
Who spoke? Evidence of what?

From what we have heard from law enforcement in the area, they all believe the guy was guilty of assault of a child. No, they didn't speak particularly of the evidence from the examination, but they were all speaking on the lines of self-defense and not allegations of murder. It's on our local news every day and the story hasn't changed. The perpetrator had a green card, so you know he was an illegal and you know how Texans feel about that when a crime is committed. No one cares that he's dead.

AreYouReady? 06-18-2012 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1168081)
It's not too much to ask for proof and/or witnesses for such an ugly accusation-- especially given the father's JUSTIFIED response, if the father is telling the truth.


I think the burden of proof needs to be on the father in this case because he KILLED a man.

I really, really, really hope this young man is telling the truth. Apparently, he killed his daughter's attacker with his bare hands. He is also said to be remorseful as he never intended to kill the man, but was only trying to save his daughter.

Jermyn, while I understand what you are trying to say, I am asking you how the man can prove his innocence when there were no witnesses around? The fact that he killed the man when he hit him in the head with his bare hands shows that a lot of adrenaline was flowing through his veins at the time trying to get him off his little girl. Adrenaline is your flight or fight hormone that only kicks in when you are scared or angry in a rush.

Wouldn't you be angered if you heard your little girl cry out and saw a man on top of her with her panties off? Wouldn't you think that you have got to get him off her?

He was very remorseful and said that he did not mean to kill him.

The law enforcement had no reason to think this to be premeditated and they know by emotions and the look on people's faces and react. Apparently, the father was a model citizen and never been in trouble to give law enforcement any cause for concern.

RandyWayne 06-18-2012 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1168828)
Jermyn, while I understand what you are trying to say, I am asking you how the man can prove his innocence when there were no witnesses around? The fact that he killed the man when he hit him in the head with his bare hands shows that a lot of adrenaline was flowing through his veins at the time trying to get him off his little girl. Adrenaline is your flight or fight hormone that only kicks in when you are scared or angry in a rush.

Wouldn't you be angered if you heard your little girl cry out and saw a man on top of her with her panties off? Wouldn't you think that you have got to get him off her?

He was very remorseful and said that he did not mean to kill him.

The law enforcement had no reason to think this to be premeditated and they know by emotions and the look on people's faces and react. Apparently, the father was a model citizen and never been in trouble to give law enforcement any cause for concern.

I guess this is where my reaction would be different. The father probably has a lawyer who is suggesting that he makes those statements about being remorseful. In truth if it happened to my daughter I would certainly feel bad about the situation for my daughters sake but would not lose ONE WINK of sleep over having killed the perv. My mistake would probably be saying exactly that to the press.

Sweet Pea 06-18-2012 06:02 PM

Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
 
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1168824)
From what we have heard from law enforcement in the area, they all believe the guy was guilty of assault of a child. No, they didn't speak particularly of the evidence from the examination, but they were all speaking on the lines of self-defense and not allegations of murder. It's on our local news every day and the story hasn't changed. The perpetrator had a green card, so you know he was an illegal and you know how Texans feel about that when a crime is committed. No one cares that he's dead.

Wouldn't a "green card" make him legal - but not a citizen? I have several friends and acquaintances (of different races) who have "green cards". They are all here legally and with a green card can legally obtain employment. In my former employment I dealt with I-9 forms and even with employees who were here legally and trying to obtain their green cards. It isn't an easy process.

BTW - I support the father.

Pressing-On 06-18-2012 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Pea (Post 1168843)
Wouldn't a "green card" make him legal - but not a citizen? I have several friends and acquaintances (of different races) who have "green cards". They are all here legally and with a green card can legally obtain employment. In my former employment I dealt with I-9 forms and even with employees who were here legally and trying to obtain their green cards. It isn't an easy process.

BTW - I support the father.

Right, he was not a citizen. That makes him an illegal - green card or no. Or was he a legal illegal? :heeheehee

Pressing-On 06-18-2012 09:06 PM

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The Texas Rangers investigating the incident performed a physical exam on the young girl as well as interviewing her. Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon said the evidence he had gathered and witnesses’ statements matched the father's account of the incident.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...Texas-homicide

"The medical examiner ruled that the death was "homicide" -- which just means it was caused by another person. It doesn't mean criminal charges are coming. It just means it was caused by a human, rather than by disease or accident."

Cindy 06-18-2012 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1168871)
The Texas Rangers investigating the incident performed a physical exam on the young girl as well as interviewing her. Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon said the evidence he had gathered and witnesses’ statements matched the father's account of the incident.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...Texas-homicide

"The medical examiner ruled that the death was "homicide" -- which just means it was caused by another person. It doesn't mean criminal charges are coming. It just means it was caused by a human, rather than by disease or accident."

The Texas Rangers performed a physical exam on the child? What?

Pressing-On 06-18-2012 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1168875)
The Texas Rangers performed a physical exam on the child? What?

I think it had to have been a traumatic experience for the little girl and father to allow it. And if that was the case, I can see the father's deeper anger. The reports I've heard and read are stating that neither the child nor the illegal had their underwear on. Glad he is dead.


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