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Originally Posted by peter83 (Post 1531452)

Now the strange thing is the grammatical order :
"The spirit the water and the blood also these three in one are"
Some people claim the because the "these" is on masculine does not make sense so the text could also include the "three that bear record in heaves".

Amen. An incredible evidence. Eugenius Bulgaris really emphasized the grammar c. 1790, and he was world-class-plus. Showing that the Johannine Greek text must have had the heavenly witnesses included.

There has been a huge agitprop campaign by the corruption version modernists to try to mask and fudge this powerful evidence of heavenly witnesses authenticity.

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery (Post 1531623)

And who do you identify as the "heavenly witnesses"?

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1531657)

And who do you identify as the "heavenly witnesses"?

or to whom they witness :) somebody needs a witness in heaven?

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1531657)

And who do you identify as the "heavenly witnesses"?

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery (Post 1531750)

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

Agreed. I thought you were coming from another angle, such as, John Bevere in his book, The Bait of Satan, pg 26 - "Now do you think that when they sold him (Joseph) as a slave, God in heaven looked at the Son and the Holy Spirit and said, "What are We going to do now? Look at what his brothers have done. They have ruined Our plan for Joseph. We had better think of something quick! Do We have an alternate plan?" :doh

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1531569)

Why, the King James, of course.

:thumbsup

I recently heard someone say that they hate reading the KJV. Personally, I think if you are lazy, you would hate reading it. Because you have to study every time you read it is the reason I say that you have to be lazy. JMO.

John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 35 And he that saw [it] bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
We know he also send His Spirit ,so there are three witnesses IN the one (Jesus) .They came out of Him (the one) on this earth.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? ;
6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

He came through water =natural life,birth
through blood (that is the life too but he leaves it here)
He send his Spirit to bear witness in us
We have the testimony of the Water after regeneration
We have the testimony that the Son of God poured Ηis blood, His life for us
And the Spirit gives that information of the sacrifice and the things to come (the glory of the Son)

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1531798)

You have to study every time you read it?

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1531822)

You have to study every time you read it?

Well, generally, things will pop into your mind (and I think you should be reading enough that it happens every time you pick up your Bible, IMO) that you read in another place, so you go there and put it together. "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Tim. 2:15