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Nicodemus1968 01-06-2020 05:43 AM

Re: Qassem Soleimani.
 
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1577510)
Lol!

I will tell you one of the best lines in the political media today by Pompeo.


FOX NEWS CHRIS WALLACE:

"Some analysts suggest that the impeachment of President Trump has emboldened enemies like Iran and North Korea - is this president is more vulnerable because of the impeachment effort?"

POMPEO:

"You should ask Mr. Soleimani."


Just to watch smug Chris Wallace pause for a few seconds was worth the watch. Loved it!!!! Hahahahahahaha!

Do you think that this administration will tell the American people what serious threats were being plotted against us?

Pressing-On 01-06-2020 07:25 AM

Re: Qassem Soleimani.
 
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1577517)
Do you think that this administration will tell the American people what serious threats were being plotted against us?

There are some things that we will not know, because it is not advantageous for those involved in national security to tell us.

Evang.Benincasa 01-06-2020 08:11 AM

Re: Qassem Soleimani.
 
Thank God that we have the media to keep us so well informed. :faint

Evang.Benincasa 01-06-2020 08:13 AM

Re: Qassem Soleimani.
 
Ooh, what’s that I hear? I hear a pied piper playing a tune.
Wake up little halflings it’s time to go on an adventure.

jediwill83 01-06-2020 08:35 AM

Re: Qassem Soleimani.
 
Now we have Trump threatening sanctions against Iraq if their parliament votes to boot the US out of their own country.


We invaded, turned Iraq into a war torn heck hole, removed what stability their was in the country and this is after giving their country arms and money when Saddam was working for us...dunno how that works really, hes our friend and hes such a good friend we give this wonderful person millions in money and much more in military material and THEN he out of the blue turns EVILLLLLL and we gotta show up and get our stuff back.


This is really kinda like a chick who keeps dating bad guys, leaving her stuff over at his place and then dramatically breaking up with the dude she threw herself at and THEN calls for a police escort to get her stuff which results in the guy and his dog getting shot by a swat team.


Thats basically US foreign policy.


The Unstable Crazy Lady method.

n david 01-06-2020 10:39 AM

Re: Qassem Soleimani.
 
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Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 1577541)
Now we have Trump threatening sanctions against Iraq if their parliament votes to boot the US out of their own country.

Good. While Trump is at it, hopefully he'll bring the troops home and close the bases in Iraq. Hundreds of millions of dollars being wasted, not to mention the deaths of our soldiers and those who have been physically and mentally injured from W's stupid conquest. The Iraqi Parliament has no real authority in the matter. Any resolution they pass is purely symbolic. Only the PM can order the US to leave. I hope he does.

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Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 1577541)
We invaded, turned Iraq into a war torn heck hole, removed what stability their was in the country and this is after giving their country arms and money when Saddam was working for us...dunno how that works really, hes our friend and hes such a good friend we give this wonderful person millions in money and much more in military material and THEN he out of the blue turns EVILLLLLL and we gotta show up and get our stuff back.

We supported SH in the 80s during the Iran-Iraq war. We thought we chose the lesser of two evils. Unfortunately, SH turned into a monster himself. He was never our "friend" or "good friend" or "wonderful person." It was "the enemy of our enemy is our friend." The "stability" in the country was due to the iron fist of SH and his sons.

W was misled and falsely believed that the people in the ME wanted democracy and that they could live and work in a democracy. Unfortunately, they can't. The only way to rule in the ME is with a strong, single leader with an iron fist like Hussein or Qaddafi. That's the only way to have stability with those people.

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Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 1577541)
This is really kinda like a chick who keeps dating bad guys, leaving her stuff over at his place and then dramatically breaking up with the dude she threw herself at and THEN calls for a police escort to get her stuff which results in the guy and his dog getting shot by a swat team.

:dogpat

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Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 1577541)
Thats basically US foreign policy.

US foreign policy has been to choose the lesser of two evils when required and to aggressively defend its resources. Too bad that for decades we were almost completely reliant on ME for oil and other resources.

Trump has tried to change that, though as has been previously mentioned, no POTUS will ever be able to change the military industrial complex which keeps us locked in alliances and requires bases and personnel in hostile lands.

n david 01-06-2020 10:41 AM

Re: Qassem Soleimani.
 
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1577517)
Do you think that this administration will tell the American people what serious threats were being plotted against us?

No. Nor will they tell us what serious threats this and other administrations have plotted against us.

Steven Avery 01-07-2020 05:41 AM

the assassination of Qassem Soleimani.
 
In mid-April, 2019 the Revolutionary Guards was designated as a terrorist group. This was puzzling and unprecedented at the time, a unique action to cabl a specific military wing of a country as all ‘terrorists’. Now we know why this was done.

There was a reference in the NY Times to taking out this fella in Bahgdad, using a hypersonic weapon. The reference was published on the 2nd,the day before the killings.

The funeral in Tehran was truly massive.

TruNews (Rick Wiles) mentioned an indication that Qassem was lured to Bahgdqd on a USA initiated diplomatic pretext. If that is true, it is quite illegal and will hane a major negative effect on US diplomacy, for many years ahead.

This will likely have an effect of normalizing the assassination of political and military leaders, and personnel.

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Rand Paul and Tulsi Gabbard I believe try to be consistent. Rand Paul knows what the Constitution says about declaring war, and applies it, whether Obama or Trump. Tulsi I have to check. Although written from an anti-war perspective, this article does a good job explaining how Tulsi plays the game.

How Anti-War Really is Tulsi Gabbard?
Max Van Dyke - July 31, 2019
https://intpolicydigest.org/2019/07/...tulsi-gabbard/

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Ezekiel 18:23 (AV)
Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God:
and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Ezekiel 33:11 (AV)
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God,
I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked;
but that the wicked turn from his way and live:
turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways;
for why will ye die, O house of Israel?


Steven

Evang.Benincasa 01-07-2020 06:04 AM

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Anyway we cut it, it’s problematic.Trump’s big thing wasn’t just a wall. It was bring the cannon fodder home. I knew that was pie in the sky when Obama said it. It is pie in the sky when Trump said it. Killing high level political leaders doesn’t stop a war. Soleimani isn’t Sauron, and we aren’t ring toting hairy foot midgets. This is complicated situation, which only time will play it out. We can’t get any intel on any of this. Because the media lies like an old dog on MawMaw’s porch. The internet will tell you all sorts of garbage which to siff through it is like trying to find a red speck on a thousand mile beach.

n david 01-07-2020 12:02 PM

Re: the assassination of Qassem Soleimani.
 
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Originally Posted by Steven Avery (Post 1577600)
In mid-April, 2019 the Revolutionary Guards was designated as a terrorist group. This was puzzling and unprecedented at the time, a unique action to cabl a specific military wing of a country as all ‘terrorists’. Now we know why this was done.

Why it is puzzling and unprecedented that a group which has been linked to many terror attacks was finally labeled a terror group? It doesn't matter that it's a military wing of Iran. Iran is a terror enabler and supporter. It is part of the Axis of Evil for a good reason.

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery (Post 1577600)
There was a reference in the NY Times to taking out this fella in Bahgdad, using a hypersonic weapon. The reference was published on the 2nd,the day before the killings.

"""“Is there an individual in an unfriendly country who cannot be apprehended? What if the former commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, Qassem Soleimani, visits Baghdad for a meeting and you know the address? The temptations to use hypersonic missiles will be many,” Simon wrote."""

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery (Post 1577600)
The funeral in Tehran was truly massive.

Yeah, the media and left on Twitter made sure everyone saw the crowds of "mourners" who were mourning this Iranian "government official." The media coverage of this terrorist were far more kind and favorable to him than any coverage of Trump.

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery (Post 1577600)
TruNews (Rick Wiles) mentioned an indication that Qassem was lured to Bahgdqd on a USA initiated diplomatic pretext. If that is true, it is quite illegal and will hane a major negative effect on US diplomacy, for many years ahead.

If you really believe that, I have oceanfront property here in AZ to sell you for real cheap.

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery (Post 1577600)
This will likely have an effect of normalizing the assassination of political and military leaders, and personnel.

Since when are military Generals exempt from the battlefield or from being targeted?

Targeting the head of a terror group doesn't normalize political assassinations. You're suggesting that Iran and other terror states actually abide by laws and rules of war. Hezbollah targets civilians and uses civilian structures like schools and hospitals as bases from which to launch rockets and hide.

These people have NEVER followed conventional norms or rules of war. They've consistently targeted or used civilians for cover and have targeted civilian neighborhoods and non military buildings.


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