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Whole Hearted 10-10-2007 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by anapko81 (Post 268842)
True, but most signs in front of the church say United Pentecostal Church, or UPCI affiliated, what's the difference? What are you saying, the pastor can be UPC, but the people can be whatever they want? I agree, it's of no value to "burden" the church with the "politics" of the organization, but, if that sign states, UPC or UPCI affiliated, then the congregation is UPC!
The church I pastor is not aff. and could have a ind. or UPC or whatever preacher. So they are not bound by the UPC.

pelathais 10-10-2007 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted (Post 268835)
I agree with Coonskinner. I don't talk of UPC political junk either. I don't burden them with that mess. I carry a card but the church isn't affilated. The church member are members of the local church not the UPC.
Do you use PPH Sunday School material or other literature from PPH? What about the various offerings and missionaries? Are folks aware of the things the UPC is trying to do through the cooperation of thousands of churches?

Perhaps you desire to protect folks from some of the turmoil that gets brewed from time to time, but they must realize that there's a "bigger world out there."

anapko 10-10-2007 09:41 PM
Okay....
 
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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted (Post 268844)
The church I pastor is not aff. and could have a ind. or UPC or whatever preacher. So they are not bound by the UPC.

You are an exception. But what about those that are affiliated, don't they have a right to know what's happening in their orgainization?

Felicity 10-10-2007 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC (Post 268288)
The truth is.....

You just belong to a church whose pastor is involved in a ministerial fellowship. The impact is more with him than the individual saints. You will find very few pastors, IMO, who will get up and share with their congregation the politics of the organization in which they belong to.
Haven't read through this thread yet but I agree with what you say here. You pretty much took the words out of my mouth.

If people in the congregation have questions regarding anything they hear or are concerned about they can talk to the pastor. Or if the pastor feels it's good to share decisions made by the ministers that might could affect the church that's up to him and he can give an update from the pulpit if he feels it's necessary or good.

But he isn't obligated, and some of the decisions made most people wouldn't be very much interested in for the most part.

anapko 10-10-2007 09:44 PM
Amen to this one
 
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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 268845)
Do you use PPH Sunday School material or other literature from PPH? What about the various offerings and missionaries? Are folks aware of the things the UPC is trying to do through the cooperation of thousands of churches?

Perhaps you desire to protect folks from some of the turmoil that gets brewed from time to time, but they must realize that there's a "bigger world out there."
Well put my friend! There is a bigger world out there and the local congregation whether affiliated or not deserves to know about it from the ministry. If not, they'll learn it, sorry for lack of a better term, from the streets!

Whole Hearted 10-10-2007 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 268845)
Do you use PPH Sunday School material or other literature from PPH? What about the various offerings and missionaries? Are folks aware of the things the UPC is trying to do through the cooperation of thousands of churches?

Perhaps you desire to protect folks from some of the turmoil that gets brewed from time to time, but they must realize that there's a "bigger world out there."
WE do use PPH lit. but after GC will not be supporting anything but missionaries and we wil be replacing those with missionairies who are no longer aff.

anapko 10-10-2007 09:51 PM
Huh?
 
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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted (Post 268852)
WE do use PPH lit. but after GC will not be supporting anything but missionaries and we wil be replacing those with missionairies who are no longer aff.
"WE", your past posts state you as being UPC but not your church. So your disagreement with what happened in GC IS affecting your church's stance on political issues! I would then suppose you DID speak Politically to your church that you were disfellowshipping the UPC to include "WE" in your response.

Whole Hearted 10-10-2007 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by anapko81 (Post 268855)
"WE", your past posts state you as being UPC but not your church. So your disagreement with what happened in GC IS affecting your church's stance on political issues! I would then suppose you DID speak Politically to your church that you were disfellowshipping the UPC to include "WE" in your response.
I haven't brought anything before the church. I won't burden them with it. I will use any good man UPC or not. BUt I will find out how he voted before he preaches here.

BrotherEastman 10-10-2007 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted (Post 268860)
I haven't brought anything before the church. I won't burden them with it. I will use any good man UPC or not. BUt I will find out how he voted before he preaches here.
Did you go and vote?

Whole Hearted 10-10-2007 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 268863)
Did you go and vote?
SURE DID


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