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mizpeh 12-11-2008 07:38 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by ChTatum (Post 654967)
Charnock, in the interest of full disclosure, and Biblical requirements of righteous judgement, please answer the same questions you have asked of me.

LOL, You Rock!!!! So funny!!

Now would you bare your soul to the entire forum much as you do when you pray to God? We want to see the real you, every nook and cranny of your heart!




J/K!!!! Don't do it!!!! :christmoose

Scott Hutchinson 12-11-2008 07:38 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
I understand Pastors and such have different responsibilites that those in the pew but all Christians are a royal preisthood of believers and all of those borned of God have equal access to The Lord.

The fivefold ministry is to help perfect the saints for their ministry,a division between clergy and laity in unbiblical we all are called to the ministry of reconciliation.

Charnock 12-11-2008 07:41 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
Pastors being too close to laity can lead to all sorts of deviance.

Scott Hutchinson 12-11-2008 07:41 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 655210)
Amen to the good brother from the great state of Alabama. I'd hate to know I couldn't consider my pastor my friend. If I couldn't, he wouldn't be my pastor for long!

Thank you the idea of Heirachy structure in the body of Christ is not NT. doctrine it is a idea that came from the RCC.

rgcraig 12-11-2008 07:42 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655224)
Pastors being too close can lead to all sorts of deviance.

Like what?

Sounds like you've had some bad experiences.

ManOfWord 12-11-2008 07:42 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655199)
A powerless pulpit engenders powerless Christians.

True power only comes from serving!!!! More serve, more power! :D

Michael Phelps 12-11-2008 07:42 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655224)
Pastors being too close to laity can lead to all sorts of deviance.

Such as?

Charnock 12-11-2008 07:43 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 655228)
Like what?

Sounds like you've had some bad experiences.

Not me. :santathumb

But half of AFF is made up of posts about abusive relationships.

rgcraig 12-11-2008 07:43 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655213)
Ice Age.

Aren't there naked animals in that?

Charnock 12-11-2008 07:43 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 655229)
True power only comes from serving!!!! More serve, more power! :D


This isn't tennis!

I think you've been reading too much Swindoll.
:christmaskiss

Michael Phelps 12-11-2008 07:44 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655231)
Not me. :santathumb

But half of AFF is made up of posts about abusive relationships.

Half?

rgcraig 12-11-2008 07:44 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655231)
Not me. :santathumb

But half of AFF is made up of posts about abusive relationships.

And many of those have been from ........ oh, never mind.

Charnock 12-11-2008 07:45 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 655234)
Half?

It's called hyperbole.

Daniel taught me all about it.


hee hee

rgcraig 12-11-2008 07:45 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 655234)
Half?

The other half exaggerate.

Charnock 12-11-2008 07:45 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 655236)
And many of those have been from ........ oh, never mind.

:gotcha

Michael Phelps 12-11-2008 07:45 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655238)
It's called hyperbole.

Daniel taught me all about it.


hee hee

So, out of curiousity, is it ok for a pastor to trash other pastors?

Charnock 12-11-2008 07:46 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
Wowsers, how many admins are posting on this thread?

rgcraig 12-11-2008 07:46 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 655241)
So, out of curiousity, is it ok for a pastor to trash other pastors?

Only if they are on a minister's only forum.

Charnock 12-11-2008 07:46 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 655241)
So, out of curiousity, is it ok for a pastor to trash other pastors?

Hmmm....don't know where that one came from. Care to explain?

Scott Hutchinson 12-11-2008 07:47 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
Let me ask a question here did Jesus Christ call His disciples friends ?

Michael Phelps 12-11-2008 07:49 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655244)
Hmmm....don't know where that one came from. Care to explain?

Well, we are having a discussion about pastors and saints, and you made the statement that if a pastor becomes too close to a saint, all sorts of deviance could occur, and you indicate that 50% percent of the posts on the forum have to do with saints who were abused, I assume, by pastors.

My impression was that you think a lot of saints are "trashing" pastors on this forum.

So, my question is - is it ok for pastors to complain about being abused by other pastors?

Charnock 12-11-2008 07:49 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 655245)
Let me ask a question here did Jesus Christ call His disciples friends ?

Yes, but he also separated Himself from the crowds and even some of the disciples on several occasions.

rgcraig 12-11-2008 07:50 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655242)
Wowsers, how many admins are posting on this thread?

Two right now.

Is that not allowed?

Charnock 12-11-2008 07:51 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Michael Phelps

My impression was that you think a lot of saints are "trashing" pastors on this forum.


Nope, just Praxeas.

And I don't think it's okay to trash anybody.

Michael Phelps 12-11-2008 07:52 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 655246)

My impression was that you think a lot of saints are "trashing" pastors on this forum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655254)
Nope, just Praxeas.

And I don't think it's okay to trash anybody.

Oh, ok.

Thanks for the clarification.

So, in your perception, how do half of the posts on this forum deal with "abusiveness"?

Abuse by whom, and against whom?

mizpeh 12-11-2008 07:52 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655190)
By the way, the movie was great!

I watched Survivor tonight! Haven't done that in a couple of years. But a teacher from a neighboring town is ruling the roost on that show and it was fun to watch. You could see him cringe every time he lied!

Now I can go to work and talk to my coworker who knows him because her children took his physics class.

Charnock 12-11-2008 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 655249)
Two right now.
:
Is that not allowed?

I think it's great. It makes me feel safe and secure.:christmaskiss

Charnock 12-11-2008 07:54 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 655258)



Oh, ok.

Thanks for the clarification.

So, in your perception, how do half of the posts on this forum deal with "abusiveness"?

Abuse by whom, and against whom?

How many posts do Rhoni and Delta Guitar have?:christmasjig

Praxeas 12-11-2008 07:55 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655199)
A powerless pulpit engenders powerless Christians.

Find that in a fortune cookie? What's with all the "sayings"? :irule

Michael Phelps 12-11-2008 07:56 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655261)
How many posts do Rhoni and Delta Guitar have?:christmasjig

Plenty, but definitely not all of them are trashing pastors, if any.

They have disagreements with the organization, but so do many of us.

I'm tired of the "oooh, everyone on AFF is trashing pastors" refrain.

I've seen pastors on this forum call other pastors "liars", as recently as yesterday! But, I don't hear the same public outcry when its a pastor doing it as when a saint supposedly does it.

Charnock 12-11-2008 07:57 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 655259)
I watched Survivor tonight! Haven't done that in a couple of years. But a teacher from a neighboring town is ruling the roost on that show and it was fun to watch. You could see him cringe every time he lied!

Now I can go to work and talk to my coworker who knows him because her children took his physics class.

Is Steve Perry still their lead singer?

Praxeas 12-11-2008 07:57 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655224)
Pastors being too close to laity can lead to all sorts of deviance.

can you prove this statement? Why would it lead to that?

Praxeas 12-11-2008 07:58 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655238)
It's called hyperbole.

Daniel taught me all about it.


hee hee

That's not a hyperbole, that is an exaggeration :P

rgcraig 12-11-2008 08:00 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
I thought about starting a new thread - What's the Difference in Exaggeration and Lying.

Think it'd get much traffic?

Praxeas 12-11-2008 08:01 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 655270)
I thought about starting a new thread - What's the Difference in Exaggeration and Lying.

Think it'd get much traffic?

that depends on whether you are bashing Pastors or non Pastors....

Michael Phelps 12-11-2008 08:02 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 655273)
that depends on whether you are bashing Pastors or non Pastors....

OR - if you are a saint bashing a pastor, or another pastor bashing a pastor!:gotcha

rgcraig 12-11-2008 08:03 PM

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Opps - Admin overload.

I'm going to the Christmas thread (or as Bro. Epley would see it - the Knitting Thread)

Charnock 12-11-2008 08:03 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 655266)
Plenty, but definitely not all of them are trashing pastors, if any.

They have disagreements with the organization, but so do many of us.

I'm tired of the "oooh, everyone on AFF is trashing pastors" refrain.

I've seen pastors on this forum call other pastors "liars", as recently as yesterday! But, I don't hear the same public outcry when its a pastor doing it as when a saint supposedly does it.

Now Reverend, did the alleged incident actually include the phrase "you're a liar?"

And, on this very thread, today, an admin compared pastors to racists.

Sometimes we can go too far, I'm sure.

Charnock 12-11-2008 08:04 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 655270)
I thought about starting a new thread - What's the Difference in Exaggeration and Lying.

Think it'd get much traffic?

It's exaggeration when I do it.

It's lying when someone I don't like does it.

Michael Phelps 12-11-2008 08:05 PM

Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 655280)
Now Reverend, did the alleged incident actually include the phrase "you're a liar?"

And, on this very thread, today, an admin compared pastors to racists.

Sometimes we can go too far, I'm sure.

Semantics.

And, the admin did no such thing as compare pastors to racists, he used the word "prejudice" which is decidedly different that "racism", which you well know.

So, let me ask you a question. Let's say a saint was done wrong by a pastor.

How should that saint handle such an offense?


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