Maybe you should check out this video. It's not good quality, but I think it gives a better picture than a stillshot.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoid=16481117

Please remember that you are Christians when posting. Whether you are right or not, your attitude will disqualify your correct post every time.

AND NO SMOKE/FOG MACHINES.......Interesting!!!!

Looks and sounds like young people having a contemporary worship service...doesn't look like the anointing was replaced with anything lighty or foggy....

I like this one!!

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oid=2052460034

They usually run when proven that they dont make sense.

Whoa, I'm still here... :dunno

I really should apologize again for my tone. I'm sorry for my tone.

The thing that I'm really sorry about is that the poster UltraConservative will never hear from me again, I'm sorry for that UC- I think if we could have dialoged more perhaps you would have been able to see how that your deliberate attempts to mislead were wrong as well. I'm sorry that my tone cut off that dialog.

For those wondering, I have given GL what I think is a satisfying amount of info about my background and some of the assertions I made. I have shared the details before and what happened is really no "secret." It's on file.

Strongminded: what would have happened in 1992 if a loud mouth like me had spoken up before the vote?

What will happen in 2007 - when the UPC meets to either "reward" or to "punish" the General Youth Committee? It seems to me that the only ones speaking out are the "UC's" among us - and they aren't telling the truth. They don't tell the truth. I've been to their soirees, I've prayed and wept for souls with them. There is always some sort of con going on with them when they pursue their agenda.

What would happen if we started to stand up to them and demanded that they only speak the truth? Don't worry about "in love" for the time being. What would happen if we always demanded that they simply speak the truth? Our entire movement would be different. Instead they lie and we just hang our heads.

I'm sorry for my tone. I'm sorry for the pain that I carry continually in my heart. Just stop trying to destroy the Gospel, okay "UC's"? Ultimately that's what you're doing. And the only ones who can prevent you from doing it have never summoned the courage to do so. I am the most guilty of all. Learn from my shame.

Prov 18:19

19 A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle.

No kidding!

That is so true Old Paths, and there is real wisdom in what you've shared.

I should have just gone after KH or JJ or better yet the Youth Committee. They have to take all of the barbs slung their way and we even get to pat each other on the back when we come up with something witty about them.

There are "brothers" and then there are "brothers." You can tell who is in the protected class by the feedback you get from each. FWIW I was forbidden to attend KH's Bible College because he "has a real problem with compromise out there..." I've been telling that story for years and always can get several "Amens."

But to challenge what a UC says- that's a no-no. We're just supposed to hang our heads.

Appreciate you, bro. How'd that revival go? Sounded like there were some good results.

I think it is clear that you are posting from your heart and with emotion. There will be plenty that will call your hand about the "lie" comments. But who can really say that your experiences did not happen.

You used language that I would not use--on a forum like this especially, but from my own experiences I cannot refute what you have said ... I have had many lies told about me from the UC/Con and even the UPC camp...but of coarse they believe what they say and that is the only thing that matters to them...just like we have been led to believe the anointing at the NAYC was REPLACED with lights and FOG.....NOT!!!

God speed my friend, I pray he can clear that pain for you...

So are you pointing that at yourself?

If not...why are you not obeying it?

I am listening to sister Bobbie Wendell preach and she is preaching on repentance....maybe it would be good for all to examine the heart before posting...

What's to keep you from having another computer that is not filtered that you use to view other websites that don't get reported on?

Where there is a will there is always a way to use the right things for the wrong reasons.

All this crud that gets hashed and rehashed and hashed again boils down to the simple fact that either your heart is right or it's not. Doesn't have beans to do with TV, Internet, phonographs, parchment scrolls, cave paintings, or any other form of media.

Maybe I am pointing at myself.

Maybe it was posted to others as a caution that the way some attack a "brother" could drive the "brother" away.

Maybe I learned something.

Don't overly concern yourself with me, I'm too insignificant for someone of your caliber.

Love your attitude, sister. May the Lord continue to bless all your efforts.

UC did not run away, he went to church tonight. We had service tonight b/c of GC this week. BTW it would take more than my toes to count our people. We had 150 in service tonight. Hardly a mega church but that's only 3 1/2 years. Plus that's not all of our people. I'd be willing to say for a fact that at 90% of our people are on board with what we teach. Before you start throughing out the liar line you must first examine all the liberal UPC preachers with TV in their home. Start with your idol AM. From reading the post for the past couple of hours I now have about as much respect for some of you as I do him and that's zero. Now, or the sake of my attitude I humbly bow out of all conversation reguarding this issue. I will refrain from posting on here anymore. I'll simply return to the CAF where there are men of like faith. Good day to all the posters on AFF. This may now return to the liberal left wing forum that you always wanted.

Sounds like something that I read about what Jesus would do!:sshhh

are you serious?!?!

So someone thinking that advertising on tv is ok makes them of a completely different faith???

Do you realize how much you are over-reacting to this issue???

This is the kind of shrill whining I am used to hearing from the left complaining that this board is run by UltraCons...good grief...is this a liberal board or a conservative board?

Middle of the road, IMHO.

UC made an assertion and was called on it. He seems to have realized that he was, uhm... "evangelistically speaking" and now states that he will go where he can make such assertions and not be called on it.

Somebody turned on a light.

Again, what if someone had stood up in 1992 and called out those who were "evangelistically speaking?"

When the UPC General Conference meets and our brothers on the Youth Committee are judged- will they be judged for what really happened- or for the slurs that others have hurled at them? Will anyone have the courage to speak the truth?

Well it just gets kind of nutty when Liberals accuse the Admin and this board of being pro Ultra Conservative and then the UCs do the opposite lol

My thought was similar..... see new thread on "LABELS".

in the "Deep waters" section

Whatever we may judge ourselves to be the wrong spirit is probably what stands out most.

Ultra Com...your posts bother me...not because I have any desire to change anything your pastor teaches. Mine probably teaches the same.
AM is not my idol but neither are some name brand UC´s...Jesus is my hero. I long to be like Him and make Him known. We learn our greatest lessons from the God that robed himself in flesh and became a man...a real man...Christ never verbally abused those who verbally abused him. When he suffered, he didn't make any threats but left everything to the one who judges fairly. ( 1 Pet.2:23)
Would it not be more God-like to live what the Bible teaches? No matter how liberal you claim yourself to be or how ulta con you claim to be there are pastors and church workers that you have showed little or no respect to.
I am not UPC but if I were and felt I could not carry that flag I would quitely bow out. Why kill those that have given bread to you? I have never been UPC or ACI or AMF or ALJC, etc. The God I serve is bigger than any of them groups but I respect them. I may not like some of the things some stand for but they do love the same Jesus I love and we are all baptized in His name.

You don´t like the way the youth congress went...that is ok...you were not the only one BUT some did and some were blessed. Rejoice in that fact.

I thought the rain machine I rented for our kids for them to do a song and theme in their congress was funny...but while that thing was spitting out little tiny shreads of silver paper that was supposed to be rain these kids were weeping all over our church and recieving the Holy Ghost. Something about that related to them. It did not relate to me an old woman...My weeping and speaking in tongues had nothing to do with the rain machine but did have to do with a bunch of kids I love worshipping hours in the presence of the Lord.
A lot of things we don´t do for us we do for others. The Bible says, He that winneth souls is wise. Sometimes we do odd stuff to win a soul.

I don´t always like te songs the church musicians play but it is NOT to me it is to God. He seems to like those songs a lot and blesses while they sing them.

I have watched and noticed over the years in many places if the pastor doesn´t like golf then it is a sin...if he doesn´t like 6 flags then it is a sin...if he doesn´t like some said thing then it is a sin...Whatever that makes us feel more spiritual than the church across town is what we measure of depth of spirituality by...

See I lived when it was a sin among the ultra cons to wear red...and toeless shoes and hose without a seam and all kinds of things, babies were born at home an asprin was as bad as smoking and on and on...I have been in services when they preached wearing glasses was doubting God and watched people break their glasses...then those that kept their glasses were surely lacking faith...
I am not making fun of things that are preached but I see you haven´t been around long and you are in for a shock or two along the way.

YOU HAVE got to get an experience in your heart that becomes a 24/7 way of life.

Incredible post!!!!! Made me step back and search for perspective! Thank You!!!!

I didn't make the "toes" remark....

AM is not my idol....

I am sorry to doubt the 90% assertion...in my life I have never seen it flesh out like that in the UC churches...trut is, you don't know and you painted youuself in the corner because you said, "They are not UC." I didn't do that...you did.

You can keep standing n your high horse if you want but the condescending attitude is very clear. Botttom line is this, FOG isn't evident in the YC videos or pics...light simply light up the stage...and neither of these things replaced the anitning in that service....and I'm not UPC but will still defend them from the mis-truth that has been spoken here.

:thumbsup

So what would be the CORRECT percentage in UC's church?

What I have found to be true is that most people in UC churches comply with the rules and guidelines whether they agree with them or not. "On board" could be taken to mean "agree with", and I'd have to disagree with the 90% too if that's the case...however, if it just means "follow" or "comply with"...well...in the UC church I attended, it was more like 99%.

It could also be pointed out that many UC churches have heavyhanded leadership, and as a result, those who do disagree with what is taught would never DARE to say so, except in a very private setting.

If you have to ask this question then you totally missed my point...soooo.....let me try to give it to ya....

There is no way to really know! His post had an arrogant..."We all do everything the pastor preaches because its in our heart..."...but there is no way this poster knows what is going on in the private lives of the other saints in that church.

How many of them turn on a TV in a hotel room....who knows?

How many of them watch Thanksgiving Day football at the non-UC family gathering....who knows?

Do i think 90 or 99 percent of the average UC saints do it all to the letter...not that I have seen among the ones I have been with...and that's a bunch of them...

LOL...when they are TOGETHER...they'll make a manager of the pizza joint turn off the TV without regard to the other people in the restaurant...but when they are not TOGETHER they are the ones in the living room of grandma's house with their eyes glued to the screen...

UC can post all he wants about how much his fellow congregants follow it all...but he really doesn't know who is hypocriting and who is not...

My experience has been that many UC's live a double life...when they are together they are like staunch holy...but when they are not they "don't let their right hand know what their left hand is doing."

This is true. :rolleyes: (all of it)

I do remember some aberrations from the "rules" when the PASTOR wasn't looking. (Never mind whether or not God could see....LOL.)

Sadly that is my experience as well. I know people who have actually quit their jobs, sought employment out of state, uprooted their families and moved out of state for 2 years- and then moved back in state, resettled their kids, found new jobs and bought a different house just to get away from a UC church without breaking any of the "rules."

Several families that I know have followed that path to find a pastor that they didn't have to go to for permission and "counsel" on their vacations plans and when and which family members they could visit.

I guess I've been around too many UCs who don't live it when they are not around the others, because I don't see this 99% thing.

I have had too many of them land in my church (some only for a season) and spill it all out in my office...and the stories have literally made me sick of the level of hypocracy there was...especially among the youth...

One told of how many youth were breaking a particular rule and realized they were found out...so they deliberatly ratted out one kid and let him take the heat because they new if they could set one up the rest would not be noticed...this kid has major problems to this day and is not going to church...he just couldn't get over it...

99%? Not that I have seen...