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Re: DNC National Convention

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1442027)

He will be president or Hillary will be president. It's simple. Compare the two and there's no question who to support.

You're either voting for a crooked, crony Democrat or you're voting for a crooked, crony Democrat-turned Republican two years ago.

#NeverTrump

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Things are slowly changing. The Republicans have lost touch with the needs of the American people. The Democrats, while allowing for a hand full of things we Christians disagree with, have become more in touch with the needs of the American people.

These are the political things that matter to me as a citizen and a parent:

1.) End unjustified wars and occupation.
2.) Health care established as a human right.
3.) Social justice for the poor and vulnerable.
4.) Curtail corporate power in politics & regulate Wall Street.
5.) Address climate change by investing in clean energy.
6.) Support environmental protection & wildlife conservation.
7.) Stop voter suppression.
8.) Create jobs by rebuilding America's failing civil infrastructure.
9.) Strengthen American labor & raise wages.
10.) Affirm both civil & human rights.
11.) End mass criminalization & the privatized prison system.
12.) Increase public funding for college education.

Only the Democrats are willing to step up to the plate to even try to address these things. That's why I'm a Democrat.

Re: DNC National Convention

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1442039)

1.) End unjustified wars and occupation.
2.) Health care established as a human right.
3.) Social justice for the poor and vulnerable.
4.) Curtail corporate power in politics & regulate Wall Street.
5.) Address climate change by investing in clean energy.
6.) Support environmental protection & wildlife conservation.
7.) Stop voter suppression.
8.) Create jobs by rebuilding America's failing civil infrastructure.
9.) Strengthen American labor & raise wages.
10.) Affirm both civil & human rights.
11.) End mass criminalization & the privatized prison system.
12.) Increase public funding for college education.

Only the Democrats are willing to step up to the plate to even try to address these things. That's why I'm a Democrat.

In other words, you have never really been educated enough to see through the socialist utopian myth, just like millions of your countrymen.

There is nothing in your belief statement about individual rights or keeping government out of our lives. You want government in your life and mine. After everyone's needs are met, then we can worry about freedom and economic growth.

What you adhere to does not work well in tiny European countries of a few million people. How do you expect it to work in a country of 300 MILLION people?

Re: DNC National Convention

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1442023)

Not at all the same, but whatever, Trumpster.

Because using the "whining" excuse always seems the best option when defending a conman.

The funniest thing ever is Reince and the RNC putting out a statement that Doug Elmets, former Reagan supporter endorsing Hillary, is not a TRUE Republican because he donated $2,200 to the Democrat party over the last six years. What does that make Donald Trump who donated $100,000 to Democrats. Don't forget that includes his 2010 donations that helped fund the Democrats against the Republican in Congress.

And now Reince and the RNC are asking for donations from people that they disenfranchised at Convention. LOL!

The only reason the Democrats came out to vote for Trump is that they still get what they wanted if he wins.

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1442041)

In other words, you have never really been educated enough to see through the socialist utopian myth, just like millions of your countrymen.

Hey, do you know of any first world industrialized nation that truly has a truly libertarian free market economy, successful free market healthcare, and free market educational system?

I don't. Most are mixed economies built on a social democratic platform. And interestingly enough, most spend far less per capita, than we do in areas of healthcare, education, etc. Yet most of those nations rank higher than us on general quality of life, disposable income, education, overall health, and even crime rate. We sit her chanting how we're "number 1".... but honestly, the world is passing us by. That's just the honest truth.

But.... we're supposed to believe that their system is a failure and that ours is superior. Don't just tell me that.... show me results.

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There is nothing in your belief statement about individual rights or keeping government out of our lives. You want government in your life and mine. After everyone's needs are met, then we can worry about freedom and economic growth.

Affirming civil rights is important to me. I said nothing about gun control (which is an important debate). I said nothing about curtailing freedom of speech. Nor have I said anything about regulating who we love or have sex with. I advocated for decriminalization. Did you know that today, the United States has MORE citizens incarcerated per capita than any other first world country? Our prisons are bursting at the seams. Of course, we have a "for profit" prison system that is growing throughout the United States, so crime is good for this business. That's why they are against decriminalizing marijuana, prostitution, etc. and setting mandatory sentencing standards to ensure that people have to serve time. The more people they have locked up, the more they can bilk the state for more money to sustain their business! This is a tragic failure of our society. We have people going away for ten years simply because they grew a weed that makes them giggle, want to watch fantasia, and eat an entire bag of Doritos! LOL Yet tobacco and all kinds of alcohol and liquor is perfectly legal.

You want government out of your life? End the drug war and handle drug addiction as you would a public health hazard with public health initiatives.... don't criminalize addicts, they don't need prison, they need treatment and family/community support. But it is easier to just throw them in a cell for ten years, give them some cheap "recovery meetings", and call it a day. However, while that is "easier", it's not cheaper. The majority of your privacy violations come from the obviously failed war on drugs. We need a new progressive approach. This isn't working and the draconian police state is only going to get bigger. Also, the drug war has only served to militarize the police to deal with the underground drug world that it created. Just as Prohibition fueled the Mafia crime wave.... so too does the drug war fuel drug cartels and the black markets associated. Decriminalize and focus on responsible use and treatment for addiction, not incarceration. Regulate controlled substances the same way we do alcohol and tobacco. It will create an industry (jobs, investments, and income) and generate revenue (taxation).... while saving money on account of no longer locking up people for choosing to smoke a weed on the weekends. It also opens up exploration into the medicinal use of many of these controlled substances. This could lead to breakthroughs in medical science and the treatment of numerous conditions.

My mother didn't have health insurance. She couldn't afford it. So, needless to say she didn't have regular physicals and checkups. When something was "uncomfortable" she treated it with pain killer and over the counter stuff she could afford. Going to the doctor just wasn't in the budget. Of course, going to the doctor for regular checkups or when she experienced "discomfort" might have caught her heart condition early on. She died of a massive heart attack at 52 years old. I'm convinced that regular checkups and physicals would have caught it.... and she'd be alive today. I look at it this way.... the GOVERNMENT is giving nearly $100 billion dollars in subsidies to banks and corporations that are recording record profits. That's "corporate welfare". The entire budget for "social Welfare" is below $60 billion. The real moochers are on Wall Street. Add into the mix all the money we put into war and nation building and guess what.... we could easily afford to expand Medicare to cover every American. The money saved (because providers would actually start being paid for services) and markets it would expand as more people seek healthcare would allow the initiative to almost pay for itself. Allowing you and your loved one to simply up and seek medical care without being turned away from valuable procedures or treatments IS actually giving you MORE freedom.... not less.

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What you adhere to does not work well in tiny European countries of a few million people. How do you expect it to work in a country of 300 MILLION people?

Keep saying that while we continue to fall behind them in every category. Eventually we'll be too far gone and end up like some banana republic where we're scurrying about just trying to survive on slave wages, while being ruled by the filthy rich who have total control the government.

Again, let me ask you....

Do you know of any first world industrialized nation that truly has a truly libertarian free market economy, successful free market healthcare, and free market educational system?

Re: DNC National Convention

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1442041)

Please just entertain this possibility with me....

What if you have never really been educated enough to see through the utopian myth of anarcho-capitalism, just like millions of your countrymen???

I mean, ever notice how the corporate providers of educational materials have nearly completely removed any reference to the oppression of the American worker, the labor movement, sweatshops, and child labor? After all... if children aren't taught about these things... they'll never know how the corporate world is slowly bringing back the "servile wage slave".

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1442039)

1.) End unjustified wars and occupation. Oh, you mean like Obama has done....Whoops
2.) Health care established as a human right. It's not a human right. You're saying doctors should be FORCED to provide health care, and not get recompensed for their efforts?
3.) Social justice for the poor and vulnerable. Then stop saying it, and do something yourself. Don't wait for the government to get involved, do something. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrite.
4.) Curtail corporate power in politics & regulate Wall Street. Corporations are just groups of people. You're saying those people shouldn't have a say in government?
5.) Address climate change by investing in clean energy. What is "clean energy"? Solar? Kills birds by frying them in mid-air. Wind? Kills birds who fly into the turbines. Not to mention, that all of those technologies still require large capacitors that have toxic chemicals in them.
6.) Support environmental protection & wildlife conservation. We already do that. Logging companies plant trees in equal or greater measure to what they cut down. But there needs to be a balance, we need resources to run the economy.
7.) Stop voter suppression. In this we agree, but who is the greatest suppressor of the vote? Democrats.
8.) Create jobs by rebuilding America's failing civil infrastructure. Government DOES NOT CREATE JOBS, they can only foster an environment where jobs can be created. For government to give someone a job, they must first take from the free market.
9.) Strengthen American labor & raise wages. Minimum wages do NOT help the country, or the poor, it only hurts the economy in the long run.
10.) Affirm both civil & human rights. Clarify?
11.) End mass criminalization & the privatized prison system. You may as well say, "end criminal behavior". Criminalization occurs because people act like criminals, and the privatized prison systems may not be the best choice, but I'm sure it's cheaper for the states. Come up with a better plan than the privatized system, then get back to me.
12.) Increase public funding for college education. NO! NO! NO! Why should my tax dollars go to pay for more years of liberal indoctrination? College used to be something that people considered, now it's practically expected. We need to END public funding of colleges, and make them survive on their own, like Hillsdale College does. They've never taken a penny of government funding, and they thrive.

Only the Democrats are willing to step up to the plate to even try to address these things. That's why I'm a Democrat.

If you want these things, move to another country. Go north to Canada. But don't try to bring these socialist, job/economy killing concepts into MY country.

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Originally Posted by Jito463 (Post 1442099)

If you want these things, move to another country. Go north to Canada. But don't try to bring these socialist, job/economy killing concepts into MY country.

Well, those "socialist" (sic) nations like Denmark, New Zealand, Norway, Ireland, Sweden, Finland, Canada, Singapore, Netherlands, and Britain are where most major corporations and good paying jobs have been relocating to. I might have to. So, you might have a point. lol

http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/

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Isn't it sad when the private market health care premiums have become so expensive in the United States that it is cheaper for many major corporations to move to Denmark or Canada and pay the increased taxes necessary to pay for the government universal health insurance programs??? LOL

Truth hurts doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1442103)

Isn't it sad when the private market health care premiums have become so expensive in the United States that it is cheaper for major corporations to move to Denmark or Canada and pay the increased taxes necessary to pay for universal health insurance??? LOL

Truth hurts doesn't it?

Yeah great plan. Hardly tax the corporations in order to lure them to create jobs in your country, then tax the workers at up to 80% to pay for the socialist utopia.