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Amanah 07-31-2017 12:05 PM

Re: Apostoic worship??
 
Acts 3King James Version (KJV)

3 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.

2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;

3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.

4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.

5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.

6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.

8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.

9 And all the people saw him walking and praising God:

10 And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.

11 And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering.

12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

JoeBandy 07-31-2017 12:06 PM

Re: Apostoic worship??
 
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Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1493158)
JoeBandy....do you speak in tongues often??

Depend on your definition of often. can you explain why this would matter to worship styles?

Esaias 07-31-2017 12:08 PM

Re: Apostoic worship??
 
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1493152)
Esaias!

bump

Worship is something we do in response to God's grace and glory. I do not think a person must "feel" some kind of supernatural impulse in order for them to render homage to God. Consider prayer: while prayer certainly ought to be led and directed by the Spirit, that doesn't mean you must "wait for the spirit" before calling out to God. If you do, it usually winds up being the case that you never pray unless you "feel" like it.

Hope that makes sense.

n david 07-31-2017 12:09 PM

Re: Apostoic worship??
 
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Originally Posted by JoeBandy (Post 1493134)
For clarity please read my comment about Exodus 34. And more on my thread topic, please show me an example of the apostles running, jumping, dancing etc etc

Moses bowing down in Exodus 34 is one way to worship. That singular example is not the ONLY example. There are seven Hebrew words for praise.

1. HALLAL is a primary Hebrew root word for praise. Our word "hallelujah" comes from this base word. It means "to be clear, to praise, to shine, to boast, show, to rave, celebrate, to be clamorously foolish."

Psalm 113:1-3 Praise (hallal) ye the Lord, praise (hallal) o ye servants of the Lord, praise (hallal) the name of the Lord.

Psalm 150:1 Praise (hallal) the Lord! Praise (hallal) God in His sanctuary; Praise (hallal) Him in His mighty expanse.

Psalm 149:3 Let them praise (hallal) His name in the dance: let them sing praises with the timbrel and harp.

OTHER REFERENCES: Judges 16:24; 2 Samuel 14:25; 2 Chronicles 7:6; Ezra 3:10-11; Nehemiah 5:13; Psalms 18:3, 56:4, 63:5, 150:2-4; Isaiah 62:9; Jeremiah 20:13; Joel 2:26

2. YADAH is a verb with a root meaning, "the extended hand, to throw out the hand, therefore to worship with extended hand, to lift the hands." According to the Lexicon, the opposite meaning is "to bemoan, the wringing of the hands."

2 Chronicles 20:21 Give thanks (yadah) to the Lord, for His lovingkindness is everlasting.

Psalm 63:1 So I will bless thee as long as I live; I will (yadah) lift up my hands in Thy name.

Psalm 107:15 Oh that men would praise (yadah) the Lord for His goodness, and for His wonderful works to the children of men.

OTHER REFERENCES: Genesis 29:35, 49:8; 2 Chronicles 7:3,6; Psalms 67:3, 108:3; Isaiah 12:1,4; Jeremiah 33:11

3. TOWDAH comes from the same principle root word as yadah, but is used more specifically. Towdah literally means, "an extension of the hand in adoration, avowal, or acceptance." By way of application, it is apparent in the Psalms and elsewhere that it is used for thanking God for "things not yet received" as well as things already at hand.

Psalm 50:14 Offer unto God praise (towdah) and pay thy vows unto the Most High.

Psalm 50:23 Whoso offereth praise (towdah) glorifieth Me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

OTHER REFERENCES: Psalms 42:4, 56:12; Jeremiah 17:26; Jeremiah 33:11

4. SHABACH means, "to shout, to address in a loud tone, to command, to triumph."

Psalm 47:1 O clap your hands, all peoples; shout (shabach) to God with the voice of joy (or triumph).

Psalm 145:4 One generation shall praise (shabach) Thy works to another and declare Thy mighty acts.

Isaiah 12:6 Cry aloud and shout (shabach) for joy, O inhabitant of Zion, For great in your midst is the Holy One of Israel.

OTHER REFERENCES: Psalms 63:3, 117:1, 145:4; Ecclesiastes 4:2

5. BARAK means "to kneel down, to bless God as an act of adoration, to salute."

Psalm 95:6 O come let us worship and bow down; let us kneel (barak) before the Lord our maker.

1Chronicles 29:20 Then David said to all the assembly, "Now bless (barak) the Lord your God." And all the assembly blessed (barak) the Lord, the God of their fathers, and bowed low and did homage to the Lord and to the king.

Psalm 34:1 I will bless (barak) the Lord at all times; His praise shall continually be in my mouth.

OTHER REFERENCES: Judges 5:2; Psalms 72:15, 96:2, 103:1-2

6. ZAMAR means "to pluck the strings of an instrument, to sing, to praise; a musical word which is largely involved with joyful expressions of music with musical instruments.

Psalm 21:13 Be exalted O Lord, in Thine own strength, so will we sing and praise (zamar) Thy power.

1Chronicles 16:9 Sing to Him, sing praises (zamar) to Him; speak of all His wonders.

Psalm 57:8-9 Awake my glory; awake harp and lyre, I will awaken the dawn! I will give thanks to Thee, O Lord among the peoples; I will sing praises (zamar) to Thee among the nations.

OTHER REFERENCES: Judges 5:3; 2 Samuel 22:50; Psalms 61:8, 147:1, 7

7. TEHILLAH is derived from the word halal and means "the singing of halals, to sing or to laud; perceived to involve music, especially singing; hymns of the Spirit or praise.”

Psalm 22:3 Yet Thou art holy, O Thou who art enthroned upon the praises (tehillah) of Israel.

Isaiah 61:3 To grant to those who mourn in Zion, Giving them a garland instead of ashes, The oil of gladness instead of mourning, The mantle of praise (tehillah) instead of the spirit of fainting, So they shall be called oaks of righteousness, The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified.

OTHER REFERENCES: Exodus 15:11; Deuteronomy 10:21; Nehemiah 9:5; Psalms 9:14, 22:25; Jeremiah 48:2

JoeBandy 07-31-2017 12:09 PM

Re: Apostoic worship??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1493162)
Acts 3King James Version (KJV)

3 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.

2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;

3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.

4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.

5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.

6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.

8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.

9 And all the people saw him walking and praising God:

10 And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.

11 And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering.

12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

He was praising God And walking and leaping. Separate things!

consapente89 07-31-2017 12:10 PM

Re: Apostoic worship??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBandy (Post 1493163)
Depend on your definition of often. can you explain why this would matter to worship styles?

Just wondering if during prayer or worship services, do you typically speak in tongues in the service? Do you get emotional and speak/pray in tongues fervently or loudly?

Honestly I am just wondering how far you distance yourself from what has been the norm in Pentecost. That's all.

Esaias 07-31-2017 12:10 PM

Re: Apostoic worship??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBandy (Post 1493161)
Can you show me in scripture where IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD one does not fall or kneel?

I am not arguing one must NOT prostrate oneself before God in worship. It seemed to me that you were arguing one must ONLY prostrate oneself before God in worship.

JoeBandy 07-31-2017 12:11 PM

Re: Apostoic worship??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1493165)
Moses bowing down in Exodus 34 is one way to worship. That singular example is not the ONLY example. There are seven Hebrew words for praise.

1. HALLAL is a primary Hebrew root word for praise. Our word "hallelujah" comes from this base word. It means "to be clear, to praise, to shine, to boast, show, to rave, celebrate, to be clamorously foolish."

Psalm 113:1-3 Praise (hallal) ye the Lord, praise (hallal) o ye servants of the Lord, praise (hallal) the name of the Lord.

Psalm 150:1 Praise (hallal) the Lord! Praise (hallal) God in His sanctuary; Praise (hallal) Him in His mighty expanse.

Psalm 149:3 Let them praise (hallal) His name in the dance: let them sing praises with the timbrel and harp.

OTHER REFERENCES: Judges 16:24; 2 Samuel 14:25; 2 Chronicles 7:6; Ezra 3:10-11; Nehemiah 5:13; Psalms 18:3, 56:4, 63:5, 150:2-4; Isaiah 62:9; Jeremiah 20:13; Joel 2:26

2. YADAH is a verb with a root meaning, "the extended hand, to throw out the hand, therefore to worship with extended hand, to lift the hands." According to the Lexicon, the opposite meaning is "to bemoan, the wringing of the hands."

2 Chronicles 20:21 Give thanks (yadah) to the Lord, for His lovingkindness is everlasting.

Psalm 63:1 So I will bless thee as long as I live; I will (yadah) lift up my hands in Thy name.

Psalm 107:15 Oh that men would praise (yadah) the Lord for His goodness, and for His wonderful works to the children of men.

OTHER REFERENCES: Genesis 29:35, 49:8; 2 Chronicles 7:3,6; Psalms 67:3, 108:3; Isaiah 12:1,4; Jeremiah 33:11

3. TOWDAH comes from the same principle root word as yadah, but is used more specifically. Towdah literally means, "an extension of the hand in adoration, avowal, or acceptance." By way of application, it is apparent in the Psalms and elsewhere that it is used for thanking God for "things not yet received" as well as things already at hand.

Psalm 50:14 Offer unto God praise (towdah) and pay thy vows unto the Most High.

Psalm 50:23 Whoso offereth praise (towdah) glorifieth Me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

OTHER REFERENCES: Psalms 42:4, 56:12; Jeremiah 17:26; Jeremiah 33:11

4. SHABACH means, "to shout, to address in a loud tone, to command, to triumph."

Psalm 47:1 O clap your hands, all peoples; shout (shabach) to God with the voice of joy (or triumph).

Psalm 145:4 One generation shall praise (shabach) Thy works to another and declare Thy mighty acts.

Isaiah 12:6 Cry aloud and shout (shabach) for joy, O inhabitant of Zion, For great in your midst is the Holy One of Israel.

OTHER REFERENCES: Psalms 63:3, 117:1, 145:4; Ecclesiastes 4:2

5. BARAK means "to kneel down, to bless God as an act of adoration, to salute."

Psalm 95:6 O come let us worship and bow down; let us kneel (barak) before the Lord our maker.

1Chronicles 29:20 Then David said to all the assembly, "Now bless (barak) the Lord your God." And all the assembly blessed (barak) the Lord, the God of their fathers, and bowed low and did homage to the Lord and to the king.

Psalm 34:1 I will bless (barak) the Lord at all times; His praise shall continually be in my mouth.

OTHER REFERENCES: Judges 5:2; Psalms 72:15, 96:2, 103:1-2

6. ZAMAR means "to pluck the strings of an instrument, to sing, to praise; a musical word which is largely involved with joyful expressions of music with musical instruments.

Psalm 21:13 Be exalted O Lord, in Thine own strength, so will we sing and praise (zamar) Thy power.

1Chronicles 16:9 Sing to Him, sing praises (zamar) to Him; speak of all His wonders.

Psalm 57:8-9 Awake my glory; awake harp and lyre, I will awaken the dawn! I will give thanks to Thee, O Lord among the peoples; I will sing praises (zamar) to Thee among the nations.

OTHER REFERENCES: Judges 5:3; 2 Samuel 22:50; Psalms 61:8, 147:1, 7

7. TEHILLAH is derived from the word halal and means "the singing of halals, to sing or to laud; perceived to involve music, especially singing; hymns of the Spirit or praise.”

Psalm 22:3 Yet Thou art holy, O Thou who art enthroned upon the praises (tehillah) of Israel.

Isaiah 61:3 To grant to those who mourn in Zion, Giving them a garland instead of ashes, The oil of gladness instead of mourning, The mantle of praise (tehillah) instead of the spirit of fainting, So they shall be called oaks of righteousness, The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified.

OTHER REFERENCES: Exodus 15:11; Deuteronomy 10:21; Nehemiah 9:5; Psalms 9:14, 22:25; Jeremiah 48:2

Awesome now find reference to these same words in the NT.

n david 07-31-2017 12:12 PM

Re: Apostoic worship??
 
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Originally Posted by JoeBandy (Post 1493161)
Can you show me in scripture where IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD one does not fall or kneel?

I already posted about one. The High Priest was literally in the presence of God in the Holy of Holies. He had bells on the hem of his garments which the Bible said were to sound. They cannot sound if he remained face down and prone.

JoeBandy 07-31-2017 12:14 PM

Re: Apostoic worship??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1493167)
Just wondering if during prayer or worship services, do you typically speak in tongues in the service? Do you get emotional and speak/pray in tongues fervently or loudly?

Honestly I am just wondering how far you distance yourself from what has been the norm in Pentecost. That's all.

I am not a loud person I do not believe God is hard of hearing. I do not believe in the common UPC type ( the more demonstrative the more blessings etc etc) preaching and hype.


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