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and there you have the clear difference. As I said earlier, lets leave others to judge that as good or bad.

I will say, I simply cannot fathom that.

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I totaly understand, I have been where you are. I have moved from that place, doesn't make me right and you wrong though. I do understand your position.

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I can understand and appreciate this. I think that if you believe that truth has been revealed to you, and you don't follow it, then you are wrong.

That being said, none of us know the complete truth. And considering that we don't, do we avoid fellowship with those who have been revealed a "truth" different than ours IF it still leads people to the SAME God as described in the Bible that we read.

I say no.

There is nothing about the Trinitarian view that leads people to a different God. I have a problem with their view of three distinct persons of the same "essence", but I don't think it's going to send them to hell. If new converts in a trinitarian church develop a relationship with the same Jesus I know, the "truth" will be revealed to them as well - in much the same way it was to you.

Whether most can actually explain it or not, the trinitarian view holds that each entity is 100% God. So, is it the same Jesus we know. Yes it is.

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This sums it up for me too.

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Modest to GOD????? God sees me when I'm in the shower!!!! He made naked people. :oops Modesty has to do with being considerate of PEOPLE and having respect for our own bodies. God isn't ashamed of us when we're showing skin!!!!! It just depends on who we're showing the skin TO.

Modesty is DEFINITELY cultural and subjective. Otherwise, we would still be wearing clothes that covered from neck to ankle to wrist, and YOU, my friend, would be wearing non-clingy robes and unfashionable sandals.

There is no way to even implement modesty, other than to look in the mirror and determine whether your dress/appearance will be offensive. (To other people) It isn't adequate to compare yourself with worldly fashions and just cover up more than they do, but to some extent, the world as a whole (culture) DOES determine what is modest and what isn't.

I see very few clear scriptures in the Bible that refer to modesty in dress, other than those that deal with expensive or showy clothing, and even then, the virtuous woman was robed in fine fabrics.

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I have met a lot of Oneness people who can't clearly explain the godhead. Let a trinitarian start throwing scriptures at them, and they'll start stumbling all over themselves. There are a LOT of scriptures in the Bible that can make a oneness person scratch their head. A lot of times an honest answer to 'so what does this mean' has to be - 'I don't know'.

Several instances where the father and son are speaking to and about each other. Several instances that really look like there are three separate entities.

I've heard a lot of oneness messages where I thought - 'yeah, but what about this? and what about this?' Oneness preaching can sometimes oversimplify things, and that's why trinitarians don't always fall at our feet and see the light.

If absolutely understanding the godhead is a requirement for salvation, a lot of us are in trouble.

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Very true.

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I agree with what you said but just wanted to add, It's the attitude behind the show that counts. If there is pride and respect of person shown then something is wrong with the heart. If you're dressing to draw attention to yourself, then something is wrong with the heart. What is in the heart will come out and present itself in our words, actions, and even our dress.

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I know a couple who have their grandchildren with them quite a bit.
This couple do not go to church anywhere. It's a long story.
The parents of the children do not go to any church.
Their grandchildren have gone irregularly to a Baptist church.
The grandfather thinks this is better than going to no church.
The grandmother thinks it's better to go to no church than to go to a non-Apostolic Church.
The grandfather recently asked me what should he do if these children decide to get baptized.
I told him that if this does happen, he should talk to the pastor and request that he (the grandfather) be permitted to perform the baptism. If the pastor does not agree, the children could be baptized in the Vineyard church near me. At that church there is no regular "formula" or "words" that have to be said at a baptism. What is said is left to the discretion of the one doing the baptism. The grandfather could do the baptism at the Vineyard and would not have to be a member. The only requirement the Vineyard has is that the one doing the baptism has been immersed.

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One balmy day in the South Pacific, a navy ship espied smoke coming from one of three huts on an uncharted island. Upon arriving at the shore they were met by a shipwreck survivor. He said, "I'm so glad you're here! I've been alone on this island for more than five years!"

The captain replied, "If you're all alone on the island why do I see THREE huts."

The survivor said, "Oh. We'll, I live in one, and go to church in another."

"What about the THIRD hut?" asked the captain.

"That's where I USED to go to church."