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Fiyahstarter 05-12-2009 10:57 PM
Re: Head Coverings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 748515)
Actually, I was trying to make a point that if young people would listen
to their elders, those who are further down the road, they wouldn't have
to learn some things the hard way. They could save themselves some
grief. It doesn't have to be pre-martial sex. Sin is sin. The soul that
sinneth, it shall die! There are principals that can be lived by that could
save generations grief. But you can't tell most that!:heart
I thought I knew that was what you meant. LOL!

But my point is it's easier to convince kids not to have pre-marital sex. It is clear in the bible and all churches (I think all churches) agree on this point.

The hair cutting thing... not that simple. Obviously.

I meant no disrespect.

Falla39 05-12-2009 11:12 PM
Re: Head Coverings
 
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Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter (Post 748520)
I thought I knew that was what you meant. LOL!

But my point is it's easier to convince kids not to have pre-marital sex. It is clear in the bible and all churches (I think all churches) agree on this point.

The hair cutting thing... not that simple. Obviously.

I meant no disrespect.
That's okay! I understand!:friend

Hugs,

Falla39

Justin 05-13-2009 07:14 AM
Re: Head Coverings
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 748381)
Still, what does long mean? How long is long?
Long is subjective. Since it's a shame for a man to have long hair, we must has short hair, how short is short?

LUKE2447 05-13-2009 08:16 AM
Re: Head Coverings
 
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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen (Post 748331)
I'm glad that you fufill the Scripture about wrestling to your own destruction, and not me.

-Bro. Alex
Considering you are using Peter's words incorrectly. The point of to there own destruction is not because they lived a more separated life but because they sinned and broke God's law due to a miss understanding of Grace and Pauls teaching which would have been contradictive to the whole of scripture and the words of the Apostles and Jesus. Seriously I don't think this is a to your own destruction type argument and if you do because people are separating themselves even more so to him right or wrong.... Then you are applying the whole of Peter's words in reverse.

Twisp 05-13-2009 08:55 AM
Re: Head Coverings
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 748405)
The Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament based on Semantic Domain offers

1 Cor 11.15. In a number of languages it may be necessary to translate κομάω as ‘to let one’s hair grow long’ or ‘not to cut one’s hair.’
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996, c1989). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament : Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (1:526). New York: United Bible societies.
Other languages may need it to be translated, but that is not the case for the way it is used in the Bible. I am not up on my greek translations (working on it), but at blueletterbible.org the definition given for κομάω is :
1) to let the hair grow, have long hair

It does not seem to be translated into "uncut" in this passage. I believe there was also a Greek word for uncut at the time, which one would imagine he would have used.

Justin 05-13-2009 09:03 AM
Re: Head Coverings
 
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Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 748611)
Other languages may need it to be translated, but that is not the case for the way it is used in the Bible. I am not up on my greek translations (working on it), but at blueletterbible.org the definition given for κομάω is :
1) to let the hair grow, have long hair

It does not seem to be translated into "uncut" in this passage. I believe there was also a Greek word for uncut at the time, which one would imagine he would have used.
I believe "akoptos" is Greek for uncut.

jaxfam6 05-13-2009 06:53 PM
Re: Head Coverings
 
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Originally Posted by warrior (Post 747656)
Do you think it is a bad/good representation of Christianity to wear head coverings Everywhere such as the office, grocery store, auto shop, garden,etc. These head coverings include church hats, veils, bucket hats. chapel veils, wraps,etc. Is God requiring this through the scripture? Are the churches who teach this taking scripture to extreme and out of context?

What say ye?
I happened to run across this page and thought you might like to take a look at it and see where it seems most who veil are coming from. (i assume, and we know what that will do to us) =)

http://www.actseighteen.com/articles/uncuthair.htm

Praxeas 05-14-2009 03:45 PM
Re: Head Coverings
 
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Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 748611)
Other languages may need it to be translated, but that is not the case for the way it is used in the Bible. I am not up on my greek translations (working on it), but at blueletterbible.org the definition given for κομάω is :
1) to let the hair grow, have long hair

It does not seem to be translated into "uncut" in this passage. I believe there was also a Greek word for uncut at the time, which one would imagine he would have used.
BLB relies on Strongs....Strongs is a weak tool for bible language studies.

It's meaning is "to let the hair grow" and the reason the greek scholar I quoted said what he did is obvious to me...how can you let the hair grow long if you are cutting it?

However that does not in my opinion turn into an absolute nor negate cosmetic trimming. The point seems to me is that she is to allow her hair to grow out pretty much as long as she can get it...allow it to grow to full length. I don't believe that is an absolute command though where heaven and hell hinge on. This is about headship and distinction in the sexes. Not about having power or about salvation.


But that is what the word means "to let the hair grow"

So how long is "long"? "to let the hair grow"

Praxeas 05-14-2009 03:47 PM
Re: Head Coverings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen (Post 748331)
I'm glad that you fufill the Scripture about wrestling to your own destruction, and not me.

-Bro. Alex
Why would any Christian be GLAD about someone else wrestling the scriptures to their own destruction? Can you answer that S5ST?

Praxeas 05-14-2009 03:47 PM
Re: Head Coverings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin (Post 748568)
Long is subjective. Since it's a shame for a man to have long hair, we must has short hair, how short is short?
I don't think long is THAT subjective.


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